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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by scns »

treffer wrote: post #91

Running Ubuntu 22.04.1 on a very recent device is not something I would recommend. And it is particularly bad timing. 23.10 was released yesterday, so a new kernel should roll into 22.04 soon. It would also fix most of the software complaints if the auther would have used 23.10. Please save yourself from the hassle of compiling a kernel, especially for Ubuntu (the userspace _expects_ Ubuntu patches, e.g. for apparmor…

I'd recommend openSUSE Tumbleweed. Today is the first time in years an update broke something for me. Could use the built in snapshotting to roll back but i think this is a good opportunity to switch to Slowroll to try it out. Can rollback later.

https://www.phoronix.com/news/openSUSE-Slowroll

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by aPoCoMiLogin »

nrp wrote: post #51
voltagex_ wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

As the original poster noted, this seems to be an interaction between the specific access point or router and the AMD RZ616 driver, and not something that other users are seeing on their home networks. The RZ616 is AMD's rebrand of MediaTek MT7921K. Mediatek does have a dedicated team working on Linux drivers, but we haven't seen their or AMD's plans: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/mediatek All of…

i've got the Intel AX210 WiFi/BT (bundled with asrock b650e pg-itx). as for WiFi it worked out of box, but the drivers for BT are horrible, some of my devices aren't recognized (while bt-usb dongle works fine), and there are plenty of other issues like disconnecting or buffering keystrokes from keyboard.. so i've had to disable the Intel AX210 combo in bios, to keep my system stable. for the WiFi part it's ok, otherwise i'd recommend to wait for better BT support on linux.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by sva_ »

zackify wrote: post #53
spatterl1ght wrote: post #49

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i feel like the wifi issues are kind of overblown, i mean 300 down is still blazing fast -- but that is just my usage

Yeah exactly. Like it sucks because I have 6E and it can’t really use it, but it’s only a big deal when transferring large files on my network.

I wonder if this could be due to regulatory domain at all?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_configuration/Wirel...

6E didn't work on my Elitebook until I set it from global to my local country. But completely different WiFi chip.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by prmoustache »

chx wrote: post #34
holografix wrote: post #15

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100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

And yet every time I post running Linux on a modern laptop as a daily driver is not a good idea I get heavily downvoted.

There are brands selling preinstalled laptop, this is the way to go if you want to be 100% sure of a supported laptop. There is a curated list at this page: https://linuxpreloaded.com/

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by schmorptron »

holografix wrote: post #17
syntaxing wrote: post #5

If you only can buy this or a M2 MBP, which one would you get?

There’s no doubt in anyone’s mind which laptop is better value for money. People that buy framework laptops buy it out of principle. Repairability, upgradability, openness, Linux support. Etc

Eh, with value for money when getting a usable config for a macbook pro with 32gigs of ram and at least a terabyte or 2 of storage, you're looking at prices that are well above the framework to the tune of 1000€ to 1500€ more, especially if you bring your own memory and storage.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nijave »

zackify wrote: post #45
nrp wrote: post #41

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We publish a compatibility overview and step by step guides for popular distros specifically to avoid that: https://frame.work/linux

I think what would help me a lot more, if I had to do this again, is a specific article only for the amd framework with everything you need to do after. For instance, the fingerprint sensor, it’s a red note on a step, sure, but it’s kind of hard to go through every guide and read all these “if you are on X version of the platform” Compared to knowing you are reading a guide 100% for the platform you have, less stuff…

Or even shoving some checks in a shell script to automate figuring out which issues apply.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nijave »

chx wrote: post #34
holografix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

And yet every time I post running Linux on a modern laptop as a daily driver is not a good idea I get heavily downvoted.

If you spend a lot of your time working in/with Linux, I think it's fine. If you don't, you soon will.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nijave »

rch wrote: post #40
holografix wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree. At this price point who has the time to debug wifi?!

Wi-fi basically works across the board. System76 cares about fan curves and other mechanical/electrical details. Battery life is easy to call out, but I’d say that the work being done now is more nuanced.

I think battery life is one area vertical integration really helps. If all the hardware and firmware don't play nice, sleep and other power savings doesn't work right (at least in my experience). You'll have one rogue device preventing the machine from or some hardware missing software daemon power management config.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nijave »

treffer wrote: post #91

Running Ubuntu 22.04.1 on a very recent device is not something I would recommend. And it is particularly bad timing. 23.10 was released yesterday, so a new kernel should roll into 22.04 soon. It would also fix most of the software complaints if the auther would have used 23.10. Please save yourself from the hassle of compiling a kernel, especially for Ubuntu (the userspace _expects_ Ubuntu patches, e.g. for apparmor…

Ubuntu probably has some ppas where someone's done that for you with newer kernel versions. I wouldn't necessarily want an LTS distro for new hardware. On the other hand, my Fedora desktop breaks quite a bit from kernel updates (usually amdgpu)
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