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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by treffer »

Running Ubuntu 22.04.1 on a very recent device is not something I would recommend.

And it is particularly bad timing. 23.10 was released yesterday, so a new kernel should roll into 22.04 soon. It would also fix most of the software complaints if the auther would have used 23.10.

Please save yourself from the hassle of compiling a kernel, especially for Ubuntu (the userspace _expects_ Ubuntu patches, e.g. for apparmor). Pick a distro with a recent release, and for Ubuntu in particular check if you can live with 2 upgrades a year until you reach the next LTS (April of even years, so right now the _next_ upgrade. Worst case is 3 upgrades).

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nrp »

whazor wrote: post #87
nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Do you have plans for automating the BIOS updates? At the moment, my Intel 12th gen mainboard BIOS has several vulnerabilities and many people are waiting for updates. In a couple of years, you will have to support even more mainboards and I hope you are working on software infrastructure to properly support that.

I shared an update around that earlier today in our Community: https://community.frame.work/t/12th-gen-intel-core-bios-3-06...

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by vietvu »

The idea is nice, but I guess not until the scale is up and production cost come down a bit that the Framework laptop will become more appeal to me. By the time I want to upgrade my laptop, the hardware (CPU/RAM/GPU) would be updated so much that buying a new laptop will be cheaper and more powerful. There is no reason to swap parts.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by guerby »

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

I noticed at the Kernel Recipes conference in Paris that Greg KH has a frame.work laptop and when I asked him he was very happy about it.

Do you ship early models to linux kernel developpers and may be distribution developpers?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by trustingtrust »

voltagex_ wrote: post #60
spatterl1ght wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i feel like the wifi issues are kind of overblown, i mean 300 down is still blazing fast -- but that is just my usage

I currently get 600 using an Intel AX201 card and 900 from a better router.

The intel stack is more mature right now as someone pointed out in the comments above. Down the road AMD will get better with better drivers and newer chips. If wifi speeds matter to someone and they are upgrading from an older intel board then keeping the old wifi card would make sense as of now.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by vladvasiliu »

bubblethink wrote: post #22
sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I have the 845 g9, and I'm lukewarm about it. It's more to do with AMD than HP, but HP also has a few annoyances. - No insert key - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor. - Miscellaneous AMD bugs: vp9 hw decoding broken, s2idle sleep fails occasionally, gets stuck in lowest frequency sometimes, several others that have slowly been fixed on mainline - Battery life is pretty medioc…

> - No external display before OS. Can't do luks password over external monitor.

That's weird. I have the g8 and there is no such issue. I routinely type my LUKS password on my external keyboard and monitor. The only thing that doesn't show up on the external screen IIRC is the boot selection menu.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by vladvasiliu »

imp0cat wrote: post #56
sva_ wrote: post #11

I wonder what kind of battery-life Framework users get? I've recently gotten an Elitebook 845 G10 which runs on a Ryzen 7 Pro 7840HS, and battery life was at first shit. The issue was with the BIOS being bugged and not allowing ASPM. After manually activating, I now get around 12-15 hours on a 50Wh battery, depending on use of course. Results still preliminary though, more testing needs to be done. Btw, I chose the E…

I have the 845 G8 and can echo most of your sentiment. It's a fast, well made and easily repairable/upgradable machine (ie. no soldered RAM modules). However, HP's software is less than stellar. What annoys me the most is the fact that the latest BIOS update completely broke USB-C dock and monitor detection.

I'm typing this on one of those, and on paper it's indeed a nice little machine. But oh my god, the screen is ridiculously bad. When I got it a few years ago, I didn't think it was still possible to have such atrocious screens on a 1500+ € machine...

Also, assembly quality seems hit or miss with these. Mine is OK, but on the one from work, the black plastic surrounding the screen is misaligned with the hinge.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by augustl »

After switching from an 11th gen Intel Dell XPS, to a M1 Macbook, I resist returning to PC laptops (even though I prefer Windows) until someone confirms that newer Ryzen and Intel chips are comparable in terms of "perceived performance" to Apple silicon. The whole laptop simply becomes syrupy on battery. Even if I go high performance mode in Windows settings, the whole device is just so laggy compared to a Macbook. And, in high performance mode, the laptop has probably at _most_ 2 hours of battery life in it.

Has this improved since 11th gen Intel?

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by vladvasiliu »

brosco wrote: post #10

I've had my Framework 12 over a year now, so maybe I can give some perspective. I had a lot of similar issues (mostly with wifi) running Fedora when I first got it. I also felt like I wasted a lot of time getting it set up and fixing little bugs here and there. But I'm happy to say that after the first two weeks or so, it's been rock solid. The issues I had with wifi were patched pretty quickly, and everything else p…

> The only thing is the battery life is still bad, partly because I have way too much RAM...

Can you actually tell the difference the RAM quantity has on battery life?

I have a different laptop with an older zen 3 part, as well as its cousin with an 11th gen i7. I haven't noticed any change in battery life, going from 32 to 64 GB on the AMD and from 16 to 32 on the Intel.

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