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Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

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Post by nrp »

Eduard wrote: post #36

> The only real knock I can give framework on all of this, is having so many fixes in so many places. This. By now, I have set up and maintained enough installations of diverse open / hobbyist products (e.g. Debian, Raspberry Pi, Home Assistant, Mixxx, Jellybean, Nextcloud... ) to come to the conclusion that an unorganized, unmaintained, laissez-fair user community democrized potpourri of "knowledge bases" quickly be…

We publish a compatibility overview and step by step guides for popular distros specifically to avoid that: https://frame.work/linux

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#42

Post by antonvs »

karlshea wrote: post #6

This all sounds exactly like what I imagined owning a Framework running Linux would be like. I’m sure y’all are having a ball editing all of your configs and doing firmware updates in Windows, but I’ll stick to my non-repairable MacBook and keep Linux on my servers.

You’re a PHP developer, I’m sure this stuff must seem very difficult to you.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#43

Post by sva_ »

bubblethink wrote: post #37
sva_ wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The insert key seems to be fn-f10 now. I have to say I don't really ever use it? What do people use it for, if I may ask? I configure everything to use vim-style editing, so maybe that's why. I can't really speak on the display stuff, but I fell like I saw something related to that in the BIOS. Haven't had issues with sleep either, but maybe because I've only been using the machine for 2 days. About the battery, I re…

ctrl + shift + ins doesn't work on this laptop. That's what I use to paste in the terminal. You can also do ctrl + shift + v, which I am trying to learn now. I also see a bunch of spurious corrected aer messages, for which I've had to add a noaer kernel boot arg. On ASPM, maybe PCIe ASPM doesn't work ? Not sure. Here's dmesg. [ 0.362132] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it [ 0.46845…

That's exactly what mine showed when ASPM wasn't enabled. Before that I got at most about 9 hours doing nothing, after enabling it I got about 14 hours even doing light webbrowsing and such.

I made a Reddit post about it today, enabling it under Linux manually. Many people have been complaining about low battery life on the Elitebook 845 G10, and most people suspected missing ASPM support to be the culprit. The nice thing is, under Linux you can force it, even if the BIOS doesn't offer it. I'm still testing though, so it is pretty experimental. You can find instructions on what I did here, if you're interested: https://old.reddit.com/r/AMDLaptops/comments/16lz0oh/anyone_...

Apologies, it is a pretty long post.

e: And I don't know if this generalizes to G9 laptops

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#44

Post by eep_social »

pikelet wrote: post #21
SamuelAdams wrote: post #13

How does the sound / speaker system compare to a MacBook Pro? In my experience Apple just blows every other manufacturer out of the water with sound quality.

I was very surprised by the sound coming out of my mother's new iMac.

Recently changed from a 2012 imac to a m1 air and was similarly blown away by the improvement.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#45

Post by zackify »

nrp wrote: post #41
Eduard wrote: post #36

> The only real knock I can give framework on all of this, is having so many fixes in so many places. This. By now, I have set up and maintained enough installations of diverse open / hobbyist products (e.g. Debian, Raspberry Pi, Home Assistant, Mixxx, Jellybean, Nextcloud... ) to come to the conclusion that an unorganized, unmaintained, laissez-fair user community democrized potpourri of "knowledge bases" quickly be…

We publish a compatibility overview and step by step guides for popular distros specifically to avoid that: https://frame.work/linux

I think what would help me a lot more, if I had to do this again, is a specific article only for the amd framework with everything you need to do after.

For instance, the fingerprint sensor, it’s a red note on a step, sure, but it’s kind of hard to go through every guide and read all these “if you are on X version of the platform”

Compared to knowing you are reading a guide 100% for the platform you have, less stuff in the way that isn’t applicable and less likely to miss important things.

Also, there is no knowledge base article at all for flashing red lights and I have to find a forum post to move the foam back into place. Would be good to get a page up with the light codes for red flashing.

Even the fingerprint pam setup that is required for use in 1Password and others, is at the bottom of another guide I found in a forum post, might be wrong here but it’s worth noting some of these

Love what you’ve been doing overall

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#46

Post by voltagex_ »

nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article?

I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop.

I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#47

Post by bubblethink »

sva_ wrote: post #43
bubblethink wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ctrl + shift + ins doesn't work on this laptop. That's what I use to paste in the terminal. You can also do ctrl + shift + v, which I am trying to learn now. I also see a bunch of spurious corrected aer messages, for which I've had to add a noaer kernel boot arg. On ASPM, maybe PCIe ASPM doesn't work ? Not sure. Here's dmesg. [ 0.362132] ACPI FADT declares the system doesn't support PCIe ASPM, so disable it [ 0.46845…

That's exactly what mine showed when ASPM wasn't enabled. Before that I got at most about 9 hours doing nothing, after enabling it I got about 14 hours even doing light webbrowsing and such. I made a Reddit post about it today, enabling it under Linux manually. Many people have been complaining about low battery life on the Elitebook 845 G10, and most people suspected missing ASPM support to be the culprit. The nice…

Thanks. I'll try this out. For my next purchase, I'm going to stick to an Intel Thinkpad. I still use my 10 year old T530, and I bought this to replace it, but I still find myself using the T530 most of the time.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#48

Post by zackify »

voltagex_ wrote: post #46
nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

I don’t want to sway people from the WiFi issues.

I saw others in the forums without problems.

I can definitely say for sure, I ran at least 20 speed tests between it and two phones in the same locations and had much lower bandwidth on it.

Hoping this is just an amd issue that will get better.

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#49

Post by spatterl1ght »

voltagex_ wrote: post #46
nrp wrote: post #39

I'm happy to help answer questions folks have on the product. We (without intending to) ended up being among the first to ship a Ryzen 7040 U-series laptop, which means Linux support is early and depends on having the right kernel version. As others have noted in the comments, we were in a similar place when we were one of the earlier ones on both 12th Gen Intel Core and 13th Gen Intel Core, and both matured rapidly.…

Is there any hope for the wifi bugs mentioned in the article? I was trying to avoid reviews like this because I didn't want to be thinking about all the problems instead of looking forward to my new laptop. I am now wondering if I should have gone Intel.

i feel like the wifi issues are kind of overblown, i mean 300 down is still blazing fast -- but that is just my usage

Re: Framework 13 AMD 7040 Series: A Developer's First Impressions

#50

Post by nrp »

zackify wrote: post #45
nrp wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We publish a compatibility overview and step by step guides for popular distros specifically to avoid that: https://frame.work/linux

I think what would help me a lot more, if I had to do this again, is a specific article only for the amd framework with everything you need to do after. For instance, the fingerprint sensor, it’s a red note on a step, sure, but it’s kind of hard to go through every guide and read all these “if you are on X version of the platform” Compared to knowing you are reading a guide 100% for the platform you have, less stuff…

Thanks for the feedback! The foam positioning issue you ran into is definitely not good, and I've flagged it to our Supplier Quality Manager.
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