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Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by 6510 »

graycat wrote: post #161
codalan wrote: post #135

It's not just scrollbars. It's the elimination of window borders. Aside from not being able to differentiate one window from another similarly colored window in the background, it's nearly impossible to click and hold on anything along the edge to resize the window. It's the overloading of the title bar with so much shit like search boxes and extraneous buttons that a user has almost no place to grip to move the wind…

Along these lines, recently happened to see at the Web site "Big Red Car" https://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/returns-driving-retail/... Edit: Somehow this URL leads to some spot on the Web page of the URL but does not always lead to the actual post. To find the post on that Web page, the post starts with "To me, all of retailing has one"

I've figured it out!

You have to open their disquss profile, ctrl+f search for "to me, a" then click on the "7 comments" part of "Discussion on Littlefield Advisors 7 comments" then ctrl+f search for "to me, a" again and there you click on the ".. days ago" link under the username.

https://disqus.com/home/discussion/littlefieldadvisors/retur...

Now everyone can bookmark it, or print it and glue it to the wall.

edit:

You should really be using firefox, click "view" > "page style" > "no style" to read that page. The anchor doesn't work anymore if you disable the style. They could have just ?

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by happymellon »

supportengineer wrote: post #281
MenhirMike wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 2000 was the last truly great Windows for me. It was the last Windows version that had a working "Find in File Contents" feature without having to install grepwin.

After a few small tweaks, Windows 7 Professional was a cat. Purring in my lap cause it loves me.

> After a few small tweaks

Hence why it was worse.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by Varriount »

MenhirMike wrote: post #193
marcus_holmes wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am coming to the opinion that Windows XP was the maximum usable interface, and we should have stopped there [0]. But then, I might just be old and telling the kids to get off my lawn. [0] this is definitely true for Windows. All subsequent versions of Windows have had worse UX.

Windows 2000 was the last truly great Windows for me. It was the last Windows version that had a working "Find in File Contents" feature without having to install grepwin.

This is something that's always puzzled me - why is searching in Windows always so gosh darn slow? You'd think with an entire background service dedicated to file indexing, I'd be able to quickly find files in a directory tree with the word "foo" in their file name or contents, but even with a modern SSD it still takes at least a minute on any remotely populated directory.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by mvdtnz »

There was nothing wrong with the big wide scroll bar with the nice obvious buttons on either side. Every person involved in their removal needs to be ejected from the software world immediately without prejudice.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by happymellon »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #279
inferiorhuman wrote: post #265

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Ya know one of the first things I do on an XP install is to go in and disable as much of UI faffing about as I can. It takes a couple of clicks, but once you disable themes in XP you get something that looks quite a lot like Windows 2000.

I did it because my computer was a POS. But then it turns out I have a minimalism kink, so I've been doing that ever since. I use XFCE btw

> I use XFCE btw

No offense, but I cannot possibly trust your judgement when you use a DE that, by default, is the classic example of no window borders for the mouse to grab onto.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by atahanacar »

lstamour wrote: post #197
marcus_holmes wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am coming to the opinion that Windows XP was the maximum usable interface, and we should have stopped there [0]. But then, I might just be old and telling the kids to get off my lawn. [0] this is definitely true for Windows. All subsequent versions of Windows have had worse UX.

Everything old is new again? I remember when people were deriding Windows XP for being "Fisher-Price" in appearance and preferring to run Windows 2000 because it was more stable (until roughly SP2 came out, which basically was an entirely new OS released as a service pack). Windows 7, which was Vista's equivalent to SP2 also has some fans. Heck, I'd even personally argue that Windows ME has some niceties not seen in…

>I wonder if/when some subset of users will prefer a more controlled window layout engine, one which always opens windows into their own "space" on the screen.

You are describing tiling window manager users.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by xtracto »

Varriount wrote: post #313
MenhirMike wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 2000 was the last truly great Windows for me. It was the last Windows version that had a working "Find in File Contents" feature without having to install grepwin.

This is something that's always puzzled me - why is searching in Windows always so gosh darn slow? You'd think with an entire background service dedicated to file indexing, I'd be able to quickly find files in a directory tree with the word "foo" in their file name or contents, but even with a modern SSD it still takes at least a minute on any remotely populated directory.

File search in graphical Linux is terrible as well.

Just the other day i was trying to do sone simple file search in Mint and oh god the GUI search function is completely useless. I had to jump around installing 3 "file search" programs, none of them really worked and at the end I settled with some console bash magic. ... its 2023 people.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by xtracto »

worik wrote: post #269
MenhirMike wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 2000 was the last truly great Windows for me. It was the last Windows version that had a working "Find in File Contents" feature without having to install grepwin.

Windows 3.1 for me

I never understood the switch between win3 groups and windows based view to the START menu and sub sub sub menus view. I preferred the former.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by mvdtnz »

f33d5173 wrote: post #88
ryandrake wrote: post #67

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As the article says, not everyone can use a scroll wheel, and not everyone even has a scroll wheel or touchpad. I personally find using mouse scroll wheels quite painful due to RSI caused from decades of mouse abuse. Yet, designers find scroll bars and up-and-down scroll arrows icky so fuck me, I guess. :(

> so fuck me, I guess Obviously not, but you also shouldn't expect the whole world to be designed around your needs. If you have difficulty using the expected input method, you should use alternatives with the same functionality, not expect others to redesign their apps in your preferred way.

Scroll bars were fine.

Re: Scrollbars are becoming a problem

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Post by xtracto »

Izkata wrote: post #256
etrautmann wrote: post #171

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Man it was maddening when the window was taller than the screen and you couldn’t access the one box in the bottom corner to resize it.

IIRC in that era, the leftmost part of the title bar could be clicked to get a menu of options that contained Minimize, Maximize, Move, Resize, Close, and maybe one or two others. If you chose Move or Resize, the mouse would change cursors and just moving the mouse would change the window, then you'd click to get out of it. I'm pretty sure this had a button there in like Windows 3.11 or 98, that I think was later hid…

You brought back a muscle memory I forgot I had: ALT+Space would activate the Control Menu [1] and then pressed down twice and enter to resize the window using the keyboard arrow keys.

[1] http://the_messenger3.tripod.com/refwine1.html#ControlMenu Behold Ye Olde Intrrnet haha

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