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France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #30
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple governments have already come to feel that the sort of rhetoric that appears at these demonstrations, like chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, crosses the line into advocacy of genocide and are not mere opinions. Advocacy of genocide has been forbidden since long before COVID happened. It’s important to remember that after the Holocaust, European nations have a special responsibilit…

>It’s important to remember that after the Holocaust, European nations have a special responsibility to the Jewish people, and therefore they often errs on the side of caution in preventing that people from being targets of potentially genocidal rhetoric. Oh bloody fucking rubbish. French courts let a guy off on murdering a French Jew, in France, because he had smoked marijuana beforehand.

Not exactly. The ruling is that he was mentally incapacitated and is now in a closed psychiatric hospital (from which he won't leave for a good amount of time).

You may like out not the idea of not putting in prison people who were not save at the moment of the event, or the way the qualifications are made but it has nothing to do with Jews in the case you mention.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by voisin »

Since we’re off HN topic anyways, can someone ELI5 why Israel blockades / occupies Palestinian territories? I would think given the treatment of Jews during WWII that there would be a special desire among Israelis not to treat a group of people poorly based on immutable facts like ethnicity. I understand the hatred of Hamas but don’t understand depriving Palestinian people of medicine and clean water and free movement.

For what it’s worth I have made a good faith attempt to answer this for myself and quickly got bogged down in information about the Ottoman Empire, etc etc which I can’t imagine is a real justification today.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by giraffe_lady »

voisin wrote: post #73

Since we’re off HN topic anyways, can someone ELI5 why Israel blockades / occupies Palestinian territories? I would think given the treatment of Jews during WWII that there would be a special desire among Israelis not to treat a group of people poorly based on immutable facts like ethnicity. I understand the hatred of Hamas but don’t understand depriving Palestinian people of medicine and clean water and free movemen…

It's not about ethnicity or religion per se. The land israel occupies was taken by force from palestinians. Gaza specifically is to a large extent simply a refugee camp for those displaced to create the state of israel, and their descendants.

Both groups have, from their own perspective, a valid and exclusive claim to the land there. If not prevented from doing so, palestinians would certainly reclaim the homes and farms of their grandparents. Israel has the political, economic, and military power to prevent this, and so they do.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by foogazi »

BasedAnon wrote: post #56
seryoiupfurds wrote: post #23

Why are people calling them hate rallies? Because their immediate response to an unprecedented atrocity was to spontaneously organize a public celebration. It's like organizing a "pro-German but not pro-Nazi" march the day after Kristallnacht, with banners and chants glorifying the violence. Nobody is fooled and every normal person with a shred of empathy is disgusted. Watch a crowd cheer for a speaker who says that…

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by jamie_ca »

jabradoodle wrote: post #31
2356234562537 wrote: post #11

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Well. My team doesn't hold rallys where people yell to gas the jews after a major terrorist attack. So... It's not that I can't imagine it being used against me it's just that I don't do that anyway so not being allowed to do it isn't a loss.

That is not what they banned, I strongly suspect that is already illegal. Also, your "my team" take is bordering on, if not racist. There is no "other team", they are diverse individuals who have opinions that differ from yours.

Pretty sure with "my team," parent was talking American politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by Gibbon1 »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #69
Gibbon1 wrote: post #68

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Hamas could put their hands up and walk out too.

Israel could stop bombing civilians too.

We could ask what Hamas would do if the power imbalance was the other way.

We both know that you know the answer to that.

Right now no one that's anyone cares about what Israel is going to do to Hamas. Hamas is now like ISIS, the shining path, the red brigades, the Khmer Rouge. Their non existence is a priority.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by nickthegreek »

stvltvs wrote: post #59
medvezhenok wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problems were not the demonstrations, it was the barrage of death threats against Jews (inside France). Which were linked and exacerbated because of the demonstrations. The demonstrations themselves are acceptable - but the linked death threats definitely aren't, and unfortunately the state apparatus is not set up to deal adequately with the latter.

Can you expand on how the death threats were linked to the protests? I tend to think focusing on the threats themselves would be the better approach. Having trouble seeing how shutting down protest would help.

2 days ago in Australia the pro-palenstinian protestors were chanting gas the Jews.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/10/pro-palest...

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