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France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by 2356234562537 »

Clubber wrote: post #7
johnyzee wrote: post #6

Censorship is rearing its ugly head again. Can't have the wrong opinions. I feel like this really took off with the Corona virus pandemic, again with the Ukraine invasion, and now this.

Yes, all the people who couldn't imagine the censorship being used against "their team," here it is. It always happens. Censorship is the tool of authoritarians. Fight it in every form.

Well. My team doesn't hold rallys where people yell to gas the jews after a major terrorist attack. So... It's not that I can't imagine it being used against me it's just that I don't do that anyway so not being allowed to do it isn't a loss.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

johnyzee wrote: post #6

Censorship is rearing its ugly head again. Can't have the wrong opinions. I feel like this really took off with the Corona virus pandemic, again with the Ukraine invasion, and now this.

Multiple governments have already come to feel that the sort of rhetoric that appears at these demonstrations, like chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, crosses the line into advocacy of genocide and are not mere opinions. Advocacy of genocide has been forbidden since long before COVID happened.

It’s important to remember that after the Holocaust, European nations have a special responsibility to the Jewish people, and therefore they often err on the side of caution in preventing that people from being targets of potentially genocidal rhetoric.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by kweingar »

2356234562537 wrote: post #11
Clubber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all the people who couldn't imagine the censorship being used against "their team," here it is. It always happens. Censorship is the tool of authoritarians. Fight it in every form.

Well. My team doesn't hold rallys where people yell to gas the jews after a major terrorist attack. So... It's not that I can't imagine it being used against me it's just that I don't do that anyway so not being allowed to do it isn't a loss.

There is violent rhetoric at all rallies related to this war, pro-Israel rallies included. Most people do not say such terrible things, some people do say them, and the opposition paints the whole rally as endorsing that stance. That’s the way it goes.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by Clubber »

2356234562537 wrote: post #11
Clubber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all the people who couldn't imagine the censorship being used against "their team," here it is. It always happens. Censorship is the tool of authoritarians. Fight it in every form.

Well. My team doesn't hold rallys where people yell to gas the jews after a major terrorist attack. So... It's not that I can't imagine it being used against me it's just that I don't do that anyway so not being allowed to do it isn't a loss.

Once a population is ok with censorship, they enable censorship, so eventually it will be a loss. That's what's happening right now.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by andrepd »

the_bookmaker wrote: post #2

France essentially has inquisition courts, which for example Houellebecq [1] (a prominent author) and Zemmour [2] (a former presidential candidate) had to suffer through. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Houellebecq [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Zemmourcandi

Don't even attempt to muddy the waters like this. Zemmour has been sued many times, yes, but only convicted twice. The first time, for example, for saying "businesses should discriminate against blacks and Arabs". He was convicted for incitement to discrimination, an offense in many countries. In fact: he was sued for several things he said, like "traffickers are all black and muslim" which he was acquitted for, as while reproachable falls within freedom of expression. Again: only convicted for things which directly contravene specific laws, such as non-discrimination in hiring.

In sum, nothing to do with tfa.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by giraffe_lady »

Clubber wrote: post #7
johnyzee wrote: post #6

Censorship is rearing its ugly head again. Can't have the wrong opinions. I feel like this really took off with the Corona virus pandemic, again with the Ukraine invasion, and now this.

Yes, all the people who couldn't imagine the censorship being used against "their team," here it is. It always happens. Censorship is the tool of authoritarians. Fight it in every form.

I really doubt any pro-palestine activists were surprised by this one?

The tactic of contacting our employers expecting them to fire us is a couple decades old at least. We are routinely called anti-semites for condemning treatment of palestinians.

And in the US currently the right is the one with the book-banning campaign? Again idk really how you can paint this as a surprising twist lol. We all saw it coming.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by imp0cat »

jruohonen wrote: post #5
the_bookmaker wrote: post #2

France essentially has inquisition courts, which for example Houellebecq [1] (a prominent author) and Zemmour [2] (a former presidential candidate) had to suffer through. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Houellebecq [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89ric_Zemmourcandi

I've commented about this overall situation in France a few times, and yes, they've gone after fundamental rights also before. Which is kind of weird given their history. EDIT: Over again, some Americans seem to think that this is about the "freedom of speech", whereas, in reality, it is about the freedom of assembly. That said, the situation seems pretty dire, with organizations classified as terrorists on the stree…

I think this is mostly about searching for the solutions that would prevent people from abusing the fundamental rights to advance their anti-democracy agenda.

Re: France bans all pro-Palestinian demonstrations

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Post by mjr00 »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #13
johnyzee wrote: post #6

Censorship is rearing its ugly head again. Can't have the wrong opinions. I feel like this really took off with the Corona virus pandemic, again with the Ukraine invasion, and now this.

Multiple governments have already come to feel that the sort of rhetoric that appears at these demonstrations, like chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, crosses the line into advocacy of genocide and are not mere opinions. Advocacy of genocide has been forbidden since long before COVID happened. It’s important to remember that after the Holocaust, European nations have a special responsibilit…

> Advocacy of genocide has been forbidden since long before COVID happened.

Really? Cause I remember post-9/11 it was a pretty mainstream opinion that America should go glass the middle east. And then, you know, America went and actually did start an awful, bloody war in the middle east that lasted for 20+ years. It was the anti-war people who were getting censored and accused of being terrorist sympathizers.

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