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A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
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Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd say it's much more like blaming you for American terrorist actions (interestingly, I can't think of examples). Obama is the president of the country.
I mean, do civilian massacre in Vietnam count? Drone striking a wedding?
No, I don't think so. I'm the first to be down on American foreign policy, or just American culture in general, but this isn't the same things as terrorism. For one thing, it's the official state, not some randos.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great! If you read the article instead of trying to incite a flame war you would know that they have already doxxed people falsely, and so your statement doesn’t apply at all.
It’s also an anonymous source to a student newspaper. I wouldn’t exactly hold them to the highest editorial standard. They just they confirmed they saw emails which anyone could have sent. Did they look at the message headers or request IPs from the provider.
> It’s also an anonymous source to a student newspaper. I wouldn’t exactly hold them to the highest editorial standard.
It’s the Harvard Crimson, not Boondook High Weekly. I would be incredibly surprised if their editors are not graduating and entering the countries top newspapers every year.
Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Perhaps they want their community to shun them, which is a good and noble resolution to the general problem of someone exhibiting abhorrent behavior We can make them walk around wearing pieces of flair so we can easily identify them. I see why you may want to tug at this thread but I wouldn't. People driving around in trucks identifying you isn't going to play out in favor of whatever zionist fantasies you may hold…
> We can make them The people doing the amplification here aren’t forcing anyone to do anything, which is a critical difference. > whatever zionist fantasies you may hold If I were forced to pick a side in this battle, I think the result would be the opposite of what you expect. That said, I fully support the right of their opponents to yell loudly (with this truck) about their discontent. It’s peaceful protest of th…
> The people doing the amplification here aren’t forcing anyone to do anything, which is a critical difference.
Cool, maybe we can have a robot walk around behind them holding a sign? Where do you draw the line?
Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don’t think if Elon Musk tweets tomorrow “@polygamous_bat doesn’t like X, or dogecoins! His phone number is 0123 and address is XYZ”, that’s harassment? None of what he would say is false, but by amplifying it to his audience of trolls he just increases the chance of something “accidentally” happening to me. Same here. Whether you say something or not, putting your face on a billboard is guaranteed to attract cra…
Yes, it is quite obvious that the evil are the “crazies” (your term) that see a billboard and decide to do someone harm (and decidedly not the publisher of the billboard).
Yes of course, it lets you wash your hand off of all responsibility.
Reminder to anyone else who is not so trigger happy to dox people: Stochastic Terrorism exists [0] and so does the tale of the “Meddlesome priest”[1]. It’s a trick as old as time, you’re not doing anything novel or clever, and your tactics are obvious to everyone.
[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_t...
Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, it is quite obvious that the evil are the “crazies” (your term) that see a billboard and decide to do someone harm (and decidedly not the publisher of the billboard).
Yes of course, it lets you wash your hand off of all responsibility. Reminder to anyone else who is not so trigger happy to dox people: Stochastic Terrorism exists [0] and so does the tale of the “Meddlesome priest”[1]. It’s a trick as old as time, you’re not doing anything novel or clever, and your tactics are obvious to everyone. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.or…
When the king expresses by implication that he wants someone executed it’s very different from doing accurate and truthful reporting of factual information.
You have a long way to go to prove violent intent. Stochastic terrorism is a deniable order of violence but I think there is a pretty clear line between factual reporting and an implied order to commit violence (cf McVeigh handing out business cards with Lon Horiuchi’s home address on them at gun shows).
People are responsible for violent intent. People without violent intent are in no way responsible for the violent initiatives of crazy assholes they may provide with information.
PS: when I google “Lon Horiuchi”, it autocompletes “where is Lon Horiuchi now”. Is Google advocating for violence too? Intent matters.
Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Threats of violence and guilt by association is not part of proper discourse. This isnt more speech, its saying shut up or find out, its an attempt at mob justice, one makes websites with disregard for privacy and truth (did they say it or just associated to the organisation like the old student?), one amplifies the identified people with a truck, the other intimidates with death threats, and none feel very guilty be…
Should we tolerate people that advocate the murder of civilians? There’s also an easy solution. You can very publicly state that you don’t agree with the group that you were once part of. But this is saying you should be able to make a heinous statement and then walk back it when you get confronted about it.
> Should we tolerate people that advocate the murder of civilians?
What do you mean by "tolerate" here? You don't have to support their views. But they should absolutely be allowed to speak. In a society that values free speech, we often have to tolerate speech we don't like.
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#68As much as I hate doxxing anonymous accounts, I’m kinda ok with this. You want to release heinous statements without a retraction you deserve real world consequences. The student groups that issued retractions should be spared but anyone who supports barbarism should be shunned and punished. Also don’t give me the bs that they posted they hate all civilian lives lost, they only posted that after the NYU student lost…
You might be okay with this, others are not: Harvard Hillel, the University’s Jewish center, released a statement Wednesday afternoon saying that it “strongly condemns any attempts to threaten and intimidate” members of co-signatory organizations. “We will continue to reject the PSC’s statement in the strongest terms — and demand accountability for those who signed it,” the statement reads. “But under no circumstance…
Solid response. The Jewish center remembers that Jews have too often been on the receiving end of "public intimidation of individuals".
I do wonder how, specifically, they're going to "demand accountability", though.
Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
#69This post is currently flagged. The post is referencing only doxxing as consequence of criticizing Israel, it's not even criticizing the state of Israel itself. Is there any public forum or institution in the US where criticizing Israel won't cause a shitstorm? Is there any other topic that has a similar effect?
> Is there any other topic that has a similar effect?
Race.
China.
Trump.
Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
So we shouldn’t have consequences for our actions? Are you saying I don’t understand forgiveness for mistakes? That is why I said the student groups that retracted their statements should be spared, but this is saying you should be able to run into a crowded theater and yell fire with no consequence. Also like usual with the over reaction. This isn’t a thought crime. It’s simply amplifying their own hate speech. If t…
> That is why I said the student groups that retracted their statements should be spared How would being spared work though? Would the truck run the route again with crossed over, corrected names? What if someone was doxxed by mistake, run an apology list truck?
So if I was a former member of the KKK and someone published that they are the bad guy?