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A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by semiquaver »

sneak wrote: post #22
Frummy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the circumstance, intimidation tactics like these undermine free speech.

I don’t agree. If you make public statements, you should be more than prepared for others to amplify your public statements with your name attached. The solution to speech you don’t like is more speech. This is the system working as intended. Free speech does not mean freedom from social consequences for expressing unpopular opinions.

There’s a level of attenuation that makes a meaningful difference which you are not acknowledging.

    > displaying the names and faces of students allegedly affiliated with student groups that signed onto a controversial statement on Hamas’ attack on Israel.
The doxxed students didn’t make public statements, and it’s far from clear that they even approved the statements made by the groups they are allegedly affiliated with. In one case mentioned by the article, a former student who no longer attends Harvard was among those being billboarded.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by 0xParlay »

sneak wrote: post #34
polygamous_bat wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doxxing is always weird because there is no real violence until there is – it’s all implied violence – so online trolls can hide behind the facade of “I didn’t touch you!” The people signing the doc are already public, a truck roaming around with their face on it is just organized harassment at that point. Didn’t think I would see a pro-doxxing content here, but what do I know.

I don’t think publicizing someone’s views (if you think them repugnant) is implied violence at all , nor is it harassment. Perhaps they want their community to shun them, which is a good and noble resolution to the general problem of someone exhibiting abhorrent behavior (note that I am not of an opinion on whether or not this original behavior is abhorrent). They doxxed themselves when they published their views. Th…

> Perhaps they want their community to shun them, which is a good and noble resolution to the general problem of someone exhibiting abhorrent behavior

We can make them walk around wearing pieces of flair so we can easily identify them.

I see why you may want to tug at this thread but I wouldn't.

People driving around in trucks identifying you isn't going to play out in favor of whatever zionist fantasies you may hold lol. The adults in the room saying walk away "get it".

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by tannedNerd »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #10
tannedNerd wrote: post #2

As much as I hate doxxing anonymous accounts, I’m kinda ok with this. You want to release heinous statements without a retraction you deserve real world consequences. The student groups that issued retractions should be spared but anyone who supports barbarism should be shunned and punished. Also don’t give me the bs that they posted they hate all civilian lives lost, they only posted that after the NYU student lost…

All of this is just awful. The posturing over it in America is terrible, it's not about you and your political tribes, but you're somehow making it about you, when people are dying. Did their statement cause deaths in the Levant? No, it's just posturing. Does this truck prevent any deaths in the Levant? More useless posturing, with an added element of incitement to violence against those who dare disagree with us. Je…

So we shouldn’t have consequences for our actions? Are you saying I don’t understand forgiveness for mistakes? That is why I said the student groups that retracted their statements should be spared, but this is saying you should be able to run into a crowded theater and yell fire with no consequence.

Also like usual with the over reaction. This isn’t a thought crime. It’s simply amplifying their own hate speech. If they don’t like the attention so much maybe they shouldn’t be making such heinous statements. This is just the community reacting to something you are I guess are fine with. And good job trying to smear me instead of responding with facts!

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Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by tannedNerd »

mh8h wrote: post #36
sneak wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The student groups signed the letter as legal entities. But not every single member of those groups necessarily agreed to it. Members of at least some of those group were not even notified about the letter.

There is an easy solution if a group does something you don’t agree with. Post your disagreement with the group and that you are leaving.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by tannedNerd »

Frummy wrote: post #40
sneak wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree. If you make public statements, you should be more than prepared for others to amplify your public statements with your name attached. The solution to speech you don’t like is more speech. This is the system working as intended. Free speech does not mean freedom from social consequences for expressing unpopular opinions.

Threats of violence and guilt by association is not part of proper discourse. This isnt more speech, its saying shut up or find out, its an attempt at mob justice, one makes websites with disregard for privacy and truth (did they say it or just associated to the organisation like the old student?), one amplifies the identified people with a truck, the other intimidates with death threats, and none feel very guilty be…

Should we tolerate people that advocate the murder of civilians?

There’s also an easy solution. You can very publicly state that you don’t agree with the group that you were once part of. But this is saying you should be able to make a heinous statement and then walk back it when you get confronted about it.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by tannedNerd »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #9
pauldenton wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone is going to get killed over this at Harvard

Ok, but why should people who never received the statements some group signed with which they were affiliated be fired from their jobs? This is beyond a free speech issue. You can't ask people to always know everything happening and raise their hand for the right thing at the right time.

Who has been fired for being associated with these groups? Give me a link. The only one that has been fired was that NYU student sending out that horrendous newsletter

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by tannedNerd »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #29
sneak wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being 100% factually accurate in your statements is an airtight defense against libel in the USA.

Great! If you read the article instead of trying to incite a flame war you would know that they have already doxxed people falsely, and so your statement doesn’t apply at all.

It’s also an anonymous source to a student newspaper. I wouldn’t exactly hold them to the highest editorial standard. They just they confirmed they saw emails which anyone could have sent. Did they look at the message headers or request IPs from the provider.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by tannedNerd »

nl wrote: post #17
tannedNerd wrote: post #2

As much as I hate doxxing anonymous accounts, I’m kinda ok with this. You want to release heinous statements without a retraction you deserve real world consequences. The student groups that issued retractions should be spared but anyone who supports barbarism should be shunned and punished. Also don’t give me the bs that they posted they hate all civilian lives lost, they only posted that after the NYU student lost…

I can't disagree with this strongly enough. The whole "well their side did something bad so that justifies this action in return" is exactly what caused this problem in the first place. To continue it only invites escalation.

This isn’t eye for an eye. It’s simply amplifying their own statements. If they don’t like the attention, don’t make such horrible statements that blame innocent victims for their own deaths. Plus many organizations have realized that this letter was not appropriate, I think that putting more pressure on people who think that this statement is fine is American. I would think we don’t support people who murder innocents is a universal moral concept in the USA.

Re: A 'Doxxing Truck' Displaying Students' Faces Comes to Harvard's Campus

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Post by polotics »

merpnderp wrote: post #33
jassyr wrote: post #7

>"Harvard Economics professor Jason Furman ’92 shared a similar statement on X, writing that he had been contacted by a student who had been doxxed despite no longer attending Harvard or affiliating with the co-signing group." Undeniable tragedy what happened, innocent lives lost and countless more will die in this war, but accusing and doxxing innocent people whose lives will be overturned seems like the wrong appro…

They’re lucky Antifa stopped punching, doxxing, and harassing people who explicitly espouse anti-Jewish sentiment.

citation needed. about them ever having done it, as an organised policy. also: beautiful propaganda, the way you formulated it with the famous "have you stopped" trick, making denial ambiguous.
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