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Awareness at Death

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Re: Awareness at Death

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I don't think I have grounds to argue against this take. I think the definition of death changes over time as medical technology advances in its ability to return someone to "life".

If your brain is working well enough to have thoughts about its experiences, I don't see how you could call that death when people whose brains are not working that well at all, are alive.

Wasnt there something on here recently about EKG signals an hour after cardiac arrest?

Re: Awareness at Death

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> I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But as much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking. The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourse…

My father is in pretty good shape (very active), but also very religious these days and he's basically told me nothing in this life matters and he's ready for the afterlife which he believes will be a paradise. The Sagan quote is ironic as he was a huge fan as a younger man. It's always saddened me that he has trouble focusing on the joys in this life. There's a lot to be grateful for, for those of us lucky enough to…

There is no evidence of Sagan’s theory though, that in death we will be in a long dreamless sleep. In fact, I would argue that the beauties of this life (suggested in his quote) point to an afterlife. To say that our experience here has much love and moral depth, leads one to ponder, why is there anything at all? And on top of that, why do morals and love exist? And why are these things good? The Christian perspective is that “the heavens declare the glory of God”, extrapolated to this discussion, the very things we marvel at in this life should lead to pondering what lies beyond.

Re: Awareness at Death

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I had an English teacher in high school who had a near death experience during a surgery. His description of the experience tracks with what's in the article - floating above the body, a tremendous feeling of peace and acceptance, and the feeling of being drawn towards a bright light. I can't say I'm not afraid of death but it's nice to hear stories like these from folks that help lessen that fear. :)

I'd like to see a study such as that described but not limited to Americans. See what people experience when you cut across cultures and whatever expectations of what death is supposed to be like are less similar. My wife had a near-death experience about seven years back and she described it to me later, saying there was indeed a tunnel, but it was filled with cartoon Satans holding dildos and our cat was there beck…

Your experience is called sleep paralysis. I get it every now and then, often with my face down in the pillow. Not dead yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

Re: Awareness at Death

#124

In January, 2022, I experienced a 100% blockage of my Left Anterior Descending artery (a "widowmaker" heart attack), and I experienced cardiac arrest for a minute or two while on the exam table in a local emergency room. CPR was administered, and I was shocked back into rhythm, whereupon I regained consciousness immediately. During the time I was dead, I have a memory. It is a singular experience of non-existence. Ev…

> During the time I was dead

Semantic correction for this and all similar recollections: You are alive to tell the story, so you were, in fact, not dead.

Re: Awareness at Death

#125
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Out-of-body experiences are real. My wife had one. Because of special circumstances I am convinced that she didn't know about them. It was an unknown and completely new thing for her. When I told her that some people also experienced out-of-body, she was stunned. I came to the realisation that science has limits. I have the hypothesis that the set of measurable effects is smaller than the set of all true things. In o…

Absolutely no disrespect intended to your beliefs (and I agree with your second two paragraphs) but there mere fact of your brain experiencing something is not proof that it is “real”, if that word means anything at all.

Are dreams not real? We all know that we dream.

Re: Awareness at Death

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post #71

Out-of-body experiences are real. My wife had one. Because of special circumstances I am convinced that she didn't know about them. It was an unknown and completely new thing for her. When I told her that some people also experienced out-of-body, she was stunned. I came to the realisation that science has limits. I have the hypothesis that the set of measurable effects is smaller than the set of all true things. In o…

I may have experienced an OOBE myself, but I'm not sure. Anyway, what I'm interested in is, let's say your looking down from above. Are you able to accurately describe details behind you? Things that your eyes can't possibly see? Are there cases where someone is with another person, describing information they shouldn't normally be able to sense? What happens when they do?

Now you are starting to use the scientific method: namely asking if people can see things without their own material eyes and trying to find a way to be sure about this subject.

You won't find an answer if this part of OOBE cannot be captured by the scientific method.

Re: Awareness at Death

#127

In January, 2022, I experienced a 100% blockage of my Left Anterior Descending artery (a "widowmaker" heart attack), and I experienced cardiac arrest for a minute or two while on the exam table in a local emergency room. CPR was administered, and I was shocked back into rhythm, whereupon I regained consciousness immediately. During the time I was dead, I have a memory. It is a singular experience of non-existence. Ev…

Loss of consciousness is not death, your brain was alive the entire time. It takes upwards of 10 minutes before the brain dies, usually longer, and each minute approaching those thresholds has a high probability of severe brain damage. Check out cerebral anoxia or brain death to learn more.

Re: Awareness at Death

#128

In January, 2022, I experienced a 100% blockage of my Left Anterior Descending artery (a "widowmaker" heart attack), and I experienced cardiac arrest for a minute or two while on the exam table in a local emergency room. CPR was administered, and I was shocked back into rhythm, whereupon I regained consciousness immediately. During the time I was dead, I have a memory. It is a singular experience of non-existence. Ev…

I read quite a few reports claiming the similar experience, a deep sleep. That's how I view death now, a sleep so deep that no one can wake up from it. With all external inputs are muted, the brain left itself alone in the "void", doing what brains do, fade to "dreaming".

But then again, I imagine one could experience almost the same when under anesthesia or just regular sleep, so I guess you don't really have to do it the hard way :)

Re: Awareness at Death

#129
I had a bit of a...situation...recently and I didn't experience anything. Like, 100% literally nothing. I collapsed and then just flashed back like if no time has passed, and very confused because the room suddenly changed and there was a lot of people around me that weren't there last time I blinked.

It was not like sleep where even when dreaming you kind of have a sense of things happening and a flow of time, it was a literal off-on. Like if time stopped, I was moved elsewhere and then resumed.

Disappointing, in a way.

Re: Awareness at Death

#130

> As patients underwent CPR, a tablet computer displayed one of ten visual images > During 5 minutes of the CPR, patients also were repeatedly exposed through the headphone audio to the names of 3 fruits I think this type of experiment could be harmful to patients. Human brain consumes oxygen at varied rate. It consumes more oxygen under stress. Natural body reaction is to pass out, to preserve limited oxygen reserve…

It’s not enough to make a tangible difference. CPR isn’t close to ideal blood flow, and resuscitation generally fails. Movies paint a picture that it almost always succeeds, but it is closer to the opposite. Then, it’s possible to argue that whether the patient hears resuscitation being done to them or fruit names doesn’t matter much.

In the end, the depth of chest compressions in CPR in millimeters probably has a bigger effect on tissue death. But it’s very difficult to know what’s the ideal depth of a chest compression for each person in such a granular way, and it’s difficult for humans to do them so precisely. So it’s all rather imprecise.

The likelihood of a patient living goes from near 0% to perhaps 20% or 30% when they are resuscitated. But even that depends on very many things. No one can account for things like 1% or 0.1% tissue death in the process. The process is far too brute and imprecise.

This is my medschool exp although I didn’t go on to become a doctor or resuscitate anyone beyond simulations.

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