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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by testfoobar »

codexb wrote: post #198
beardyw wrote: post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

There are many examples. Many SUV's in the US these days are only able to meet emissions requirements by automatically turning off the engine at stoplights or whenever the car comes to a stop. Many people find it annoying because there's a delay when you press the accelerator to go and then you press harder and the car then jumps. Most cars allow you to disable it, but you have to do it every time after you turn the…

IMHO such start/stop is a fraudulent way to meet MPG targets. Almost everyone I know presses the button to turn off the feature the moment they start their car.

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Post by vdqtp3 »

CobaltFire wrote: post #182
oceanplexian wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re not taking about mufflers. For example in California “Emissions defeat system” means you simply used an off-brand air filter that wasn’t blessed by the government. The parts may even be more efficient and less polluting, the government bureaucracy everyone here is worshipping doesn’t give a rats behind.

This is disingenuous; you have to do a lot more than change an air filter. You would have to change the actual piping, etc. with one that the seller declined to spend the money on certifying as compliant. Further, and most people don't know this is a thing, you CAN tune your car as much as you want and have it certified with all of those parts as a one off for about $5,000 and a six-ish month wait. This is how you ca…

> you have to do a lot more than change an air filter

You are barely correct. A filter alone is insufficient to be an issue, but a cold air intake will mean you don't pass smog in CA.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hoofhearted wrote: post #209
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

The manufacturers got sued by the EPA for not actually enforcing the “for track use” only rule. A lot of the big name exhaust companies have stopped producing catless products; and others require all of your information to be on file if you’re buying a catless race downpipe. A lot of the install shops around here in Maryland that run a legit receipt paper trail of work type of business won’t even touch catless instal…

is catless a portmanteau of catalytic converter and less? meaning, the lack of a catalytic converter?

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Post by wutwutwat »

sib wrote: post #215
wutwutwat wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This logic is absurd. Cops are hands off with bikers not because they own bikes. Extrapolating your logic one could say: Cops don’t ticket cars because they also own a car Cops don’t stop people with guns because they also own guns Cops don’t go after bikers because they factor in if the offense is worth the risk, to both themselves and the public. There’s also a whole thing with outlaw motorcycle gangs that plays in…

Grappling hook through the front wheel fixes that right away...

So we should kill people for loud exhausts? What about the innocent bystander the bike turns into jelly when it is catapulted into the air and lands on them? That energy has to go somewhere…

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Post by hallway_monitor »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #223
hoofhearted wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The manufacturers got sued by the EPA for not actually enforcing the “for track use” only rule. A lot of the big name exhaust companies have stopped producing catless products; and others require all of your information to be on file if you’re buying a catless race downpipe. A lot of the install shops around here in Maryland that run a legit receipt paper trail of work type of business won’t even touch catless instal…

is catless a portmanteau of catalytic converter and less? meaning, the lack of a catalytic converter?

Yes

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by hoofhearted »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #223
hoofhearted wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The manufacturers got sued by the EPA for not actually enforcing the “for track use” only rule. A lot of the big name exhaust companies have stopped producing catless products; and others require all of your information to be on file if you’re buying a catless race downpipe. A lot of the install shops around here in Maryland that run a legit receipt paper trail of work type of business won’t even touch catless instal…

is catless a portmanteau of catalytic converter and less? meaning, the lack of a catalytic converter?

Yes. Remove the cat for either a straight pipe, or resonator.

HKS silently discontinued their “catless” downpipes in the U.S. around 2021 for mentioned reasons above.

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Post by sam345 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #210
profile53 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but an F250 does not use leaded gas like many planes do, has much more complete and efficient combustion, and likely produces far less particulate emissions.

Private jets don't use leaded gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel No amount of cherry picking is gonna get you to the 10,000x number upthread.

Just curious, where in the wikipedia article does it say Private jets don't use leaded gas ?

Just searching the article for "lead" only gets this quote: "The possibility of environmental legislation banning the use of leaded avgas (fuel in spark-ignited internal combustion engine, which usually contains tetraethyllead (TEL), a toxic substance added to prevent engine knocking), and the lack of a replacement fuel with similar performance, has left aircraft designers and pilot's organizations searching for alternative engines for use in small aircraft."

Also a reference to "Planemakers challenged to find unleaded fuel option - The Wichita Eagle" a 2009 article which has a dead link.

Curious to me why you would cite an article that says the opposite of your assertion and then repeat the definitive statement. I must be missing something.

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Post by I_Am_Nous »

MisterTea wrote: post #111
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #50

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

I wish it were simply just strait pipes. The biggest buffoons are the ones running "pops and bang" tune where the clown car's engine dumps fuel into the exhaust to make it pop, bang and gurgle. Makes the car sound like shit but these mental midgets think it makes their already ugly slammed trashcar somehow sound cool. The kinds of people who do this usually have very little going on upstairs.

My dad bought a truck with aftermarket headers installed and dual aftermarket glasspack mufflers. If you were going down a hill and let off the throttle, it would "popcorn" like you described, but not obnoxiously. It was loud when you accelerate quickly, though. Scared a horse once when he pushed the clutch in and revved the engine.

I'd personally rather have a fast, but quiet vehicle. Most vehicles people make loud don't really have enough displacement to warrant that much sound so it's usually loud AND slow lol

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Post by charcircuit »

genter wrote: post #156
dumbfounder wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in favor of louder pipes for motorcycles for safety reasons. But there is such a thing as too loud.

So should every pedestrian have a blazing siren on their head?

Pedestrians should not be on the road.

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Post by ceejayoz »

Blackcatmaxy wrote: post #213
ceejayoz wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private jets don't use leaded gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel No amount of cherry picking is gonna get you to the 10,000x number upthread.

Private planes absolutely still use leaded gas https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/leaded-gas-wa... https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/leaded-aviation-fuel-and-enviro...

Yes, if you change entire words in my post you can make it say anything you like.
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