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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Which makes sense. It's not like pollution stays confined within the track area.

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> pollute as much as 10,000 modified diesel trucks

This is insanely hyperbolic.

A Cessna Citation I carries 564 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~1,500 miles - 2.7mpg.

A Ford F-250 carries 48 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~700 miles - 14mpg.

It's not even 10x.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Lots of gun owners think the rules around suppressors are silly, because the reduction in noise is a huge quality of life improvement for everyone around you -- and a glance at the police blotter in any major city should show that gun crime isn't exactly hindered by the lack of suppressors!

and... most importantly... a suppressed firearm is still not quiet! - and is not hearing-safe to fire indoors! Hollywood and video games have convinced the population a suppressor is impossible to hear and you can shoot people in public without anyone knowing. Ridiculous, to say the least.

To be fair, Hollywood expects you to be shooting subsonic ammunition at close range.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The relevant text regulating the sale and manufacture merely allows the EPA to exempt products "that you intend to be used solely for competition, where we determine that such engines/equipment are unlikely to be used contrary to your intent." > but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpet…

I was thinking more about O2 sensors. At least a lot of Toyotas don’t like the aftermarket ones for some reason. No idea if they’re truly out of spec or what. But there’s a risk with living with a check engine light. Some vehicles disable stuff like traction control in that state, and you won’t know when a new unique code has hit that you should deal with for other reasons. (The disabling of traction control is insan…

My old Suzuki SX4 (RIP) disabled cruise control when it threw a code, but so far as I could tell that was the only thing it did. Traction control still worked, automatic/manual all wheel drive still worked...it was also a secondary catalytic converter alarm, so I just kept a code reader with me and reset it whenever it would come on.

It would always come on after I got off the interstate and coasted up the on-ramp, so I am not sure if it came on after getting hot enough on the interstate or if it was just the coasting that caused it.

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Cell phones do have emitted energy regulations based on estimated tissue absorption. And they vary country to country (some countries even further regulate them near schools & other locations). If they were causing harmful interference, I’d like to think they would be harder-headed about it.

All that RF radiation from any of these devices can do is mildly warm you up. When you get to kW it could cook you I guess. It's not about health effects, there are none. It's about the risk of interference.

I agree, but governments think otherwise (and inconsistently with their acceptable limits).

https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/indicators/indicator-detai...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_absorption_rate

Can be a handy tool to selectively remove vendors from the market (which may be what occurred here).

If there was a problem with interference, I really wished our regulator would require the telecoms to disable them from the networks to force migration to non-interfering devices.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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and... most importantly... a suppressed firearm is still not quiet! - and is not hearing-safe to fire indoors! Hollywood and video games have convinced the population a suppressor is impossible to hear and you can shoot people in public without anyone knowing. Ridiculous, to say the least.

To be fair, Hollywood expects you to be shooting subsonic ammunition at close range.

Even then, it's still obvious a gun was fired. The John Wick scene in the subway is so laughably absurd, but so many people think that's what happens when you screw on a can.

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> pollute as much as 10,000 modified diesel trucks This is insanely hyperbolic. A Cessna Citation I carries 564 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~1,500 miles - 2.7mpg. A Ford F-250 carries 48 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~700 miles - 14mpg. It's not even 10x.

Yes but an F250 does not use leaded gas like many planes do, has much more complete and efficient combustion, and likely produces far less particulate emissions.

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The Canadian government “secret spat” doesn’t seem so secret. Xiaomi stuff is laced with various levels of spyware. There’s also tech relations issues due to huawei shenanigans and back doors.

*citation needed

https://www.knowyourmobile.com/phones/is-your-xiaomi-phone-s... was the first ddg result.

Or just google it. Pretty common knowledge that the too cheap to be true chinese phones, amazon fires, etc all trade on your personal data to subsidize the device, either overtly with amazon, or less openly in the case of xiaomi, huwei, and dozens of smaller brands of phone, television, and other connected devices.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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> pollute as much as 10,000 modified diesel trucks This is insanely hyperbolic. A Cessna Citation I carries 564 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~1,500 miles - 2.7mpg. A Ford F-250 carries 48 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~700 miles - 14mpg. It's not even 10x.

Maybe in terms of CO2, but turbines also don't burn as completely as most piston engine cars. 10k is probably an exaggeration , but the pollution is much worse than the fuel economy indicates.

Similarly, my chain saw probably pollutes nearly as much as my new Honda truck even though it only gets a few gallons of gas per year.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

The manufacturers got sued by the EPA for not actually enforcing the “for track use” only rule.

A lot of the big name exhaust companies have stopped producing catless products; and others require all of your information to be on file if you’re buying a catless race downpipe.

A lot of the install shops around here in Maryland that run a legit receipt paper trail of work type of business won’t even touch catless installs anymore.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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> pollute as much as 10,000 modified diesel trucks This is insanely hyperbolic. A Cessna Citation I carries 564 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~1,500 miles - 2.7mpg. A Ford F-250 carries 48 gallons of fuel, with which it can travel ~700 miles - 14mpg. It's not even 10x.

Yes but an F250 does not use leaded gas like many planes do, has much more complete and efficient combustion, and likely produces far less particulate emissions.

Private jets don't use leaded gas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel

No amount of cherry picking is gonna get you to the 10,000x number upthread.

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