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US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by MisterTea »

WirelessGigabit wrote: post #50

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

I wish it were simply just strait pipes. The biggest buffoons are the ones running "pops and bang" tune where the clown car's engine dumps fuel into the exhaust to make it pop, bang and gurgle. Makes the car sound like shit but these mental midgets think it makes their already ugly slammed trashcar somehow sound cool. The kinds of people who do this usually have very little going on upstairs.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Scoundreller »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #3

For the non-US and uninitiated, are these at fault for these coal burner people?

Depends how broadly the devices covered under this lawsuit are.

As cars get more advanced, sometimes you’re just overriding a sensor that broke and there was nothing wrong with the vehicle or its emissions. But fixing the faulty sensor would be a $$$$ fix and a defeat device is far cheaper.

Other devices can be used for other situations.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Dracophoenix »

petsfed wrote: post #74
throwaway11004 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I think a lot of folks use "leftist" in modern usage to mean "those who are further left than liberals". And that's where you're getting a lot of pushback. In terms of governmental regulation "you cannot use the judicial system to compel people to use your preferred avenue of repair" is pretty weak. I think there's a path to saying "there's no legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model'" is anti governmental…

> there's no legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model'.

It's a bad legal concept, but it exists: The DMCA

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Post by dieselgate »

beardyw wrote: post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

Often times it's the removal of a complicated system that is failure prone - less filters to get clogged and stuff like that.

Edit: people generally don't do things for the "sole purpose of polluting more" it's often functional. Many diesel drivers don't like others who roll coal as the image is bad in general - heavy equipment will often produce black smoke because the engine is being worked for a purpose and it's literally just being given fuel.

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Post by User23 »

grecy wrote: post #103
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

> My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. That certainly used to be the case, but it changed recently, and the EPA has been aggressively going after anyone who sells them for any purpose. If you're in the US and sell things that can modify emissions stuff, they're coming for you. Peri…

Does this include chip tunes?

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Post by plagiarist »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #55
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #50

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld .

It is somehow every single vehicle on the road with these. People should lose their license for operating a vehicle with the blinding LEDs tilted up higher than highbeams would be. It is unsafe that approaching drivers cannot see past them as they drive by.

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Post by Alupis »

floren wrote: post #23
akira2501 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than in Hollywood movies, is there any crime that is enabled with a suppressor that isn't enabled with just the gun itself? Is everyone collectively harmed by one person possessing one?

Lots of gun owners think the rules around suppressors are silly, because the reduction in noise is a huge quality of life improvement for everyone around you -- and a glance at the police blotter in any major city should show that gun crime isn't exactly hindered by the lack of suppressors!

and... most importantly... a suppressed firearm is still not quiet! - and is not hearing-safe to fire indoors!

Hollywood and video games have convinced the population a suppressor is impossible to hear and you can shoot people in public without anyone knowing. Ridiculous, to say the least.

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Post by genter »

grepfru_it wrote: post #100
genter wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't waste your time. I've tried, my PD told me that I need to get used to the noise.

Let me translate for you: Management (the courts) do not find it lucrative enough (political capital) to pursue weak cases (lax laws passed by the legislative branch). In order to fix you must bring awareness in your local community to the problem (lax laws) and petition change (raise political capital). The courts and byproxy, enforcement, will follow. The larger the city, the more difficult this becomes.

No, I believe the officer I talked to didn't care and thought I was a pansy.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Alupis »

FireBeyond wrote: post #2

What about silencers/suppressors? Haven't looked for a while, but it used to be fairly common to be able to find them on both Amazon and eBay, usually listed as "lawnmower mufflers", with pretty un-subtle hints: "This lawnmower muffler fits a 9mm exhaust and you can bang around your back yard all morning without disturbing your neighbor."

Two points:

1) In most of this country it's entirely legal to own and use a suppressor - so there's plenty out there "in the wild" and few if any are used for crime.

2) These listings are usually predatory BATF Honeypots (designed to catch only the dumbest among us) - but even if they aren't, there's still little if any crime committed with them. So, why even worry?

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