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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by petsfed »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #114
petsfed wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of folks use "leftist" in modern usage to mean "those who are further left than liberals". And that's where you're getting a lot of pushback. In terms of governmental regulation "you cannot use the judicial system to compel people to use your preferred avenue of repair" is pretty weak. I think there's a path to saying "there's no legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model'" is anti governmental…

> there's no legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model'. It's a bad legal concept, but it exists: The DMCA

I mean to say that the statement is anti-governmental-regulation in its expression.

Clearly, there is a legal concept of 'felony contempt of business model', as I did not coin that phrase myself.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by extraduder_ire »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #55
WirelessGigabit wrote: post #50

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld .

A friend of mine bought a hyundai i20, and the LED lights in it aren't aimed low enough, either by manufacturing error or design, and even when dipped they shine at oncoming drivers. No idea if this is common, or if he can get them adjusted anywhere.

Can't tell you the amount of times I've seen people in the other lane flash their highbeams at him while I've been riding in the passenger seat, because they think he's doing the same.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by brianwawok »

altec3 wrote: post #160
notyourwork wrote: post #145

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> 2) Call the police, don't "complain about the noise", tell them you want to "swear out a complaint" for violating ordinance x, paragraph y. They are obligated to take your complaint and forward it to the District Attorney[1]. Good luck getting them to pick up. At least where I live (Seattle), I don't think its possible to get someone on the phone unless you call 911. Daytime phones automated system defers everythin…

I lived in Portland for years - and it's the same. Even if you did get someone on the phone, I doubt anything would happen. There's tons of cars without plates, mufflers, windshields, etc. driving around that the police don't care about.

Another upside to living in the flyover states I guess? I can get multiple people up to the mayor on the line.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by brianwawok »

extraduder_ire wrote: post #172
kjkjadksj wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention good old fashioned overpowered unfocused led lighting. Its been a meme with the truck bros for years, but now these products have entered the general lighting supply. Now your landlord replaces the garage light with one thats brighter than the sun and shines into your bedroom. You will end up like Kramer in the chicken roaster episode of Seinfeld .

A friend of mine bought a hyundai i20, and the LED lights in it aren't aimed low enough, either by manufacturing error or design, and even when dipped they shine at oncoming drivers. No idea if this is common, or if he can get them adjusted anywhere. Can't tell you the amount of times I've seen people in the other lane flash their highbeams at him while I've been riding in the passenger seat, because they think he's…

It's 100% adjustable by user. Very likely when replacing them they got bumped? The classic way is you go in a garage or against a wall and shine them, and measure to ensure the horizontal line is going down towards the ground (vs going up and blinding everyone). Not only is it nicer for oncoming traffic, they actually work a lot better...

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by queuebert »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #122
sidewndr46 wrote: post #109

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This is incorrect. Federal law prohibits the removal of emissions devices on a vehicle, even if not used on public roads.

Which makes sense. It's not like pollution stays confined within the track area.

Dedicated race cars don't have emissions controls, though. For some reason, only race cars that drive on both roads and tracks are regulated.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by brianwawok »

LazyMans wrote: post #132
swatcoder wrote: post #22

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There are aesthetic, performance, financial, and ideological reasons for people to evade many regulatory requirements for cars. For emissions in particular, you may miss out on some vrooom or roar from your car, or you may find yourself tasked to make expensive repairs in order to keep it on the road. These are comparatively cheap ways around that.

Right. I'm not putting a $1500 catalytic converter on my $1800 prius. Just to have it stolen again.

Yah thats is super obnoxious. I love the prius but if I couldn't park in a locked garage I would likely sell it for something else ASAP.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by CobaltFire »

plagiarist wrote: post #121
wutwutwat wrote: post #66

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Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.

I have never heard of a municipality actually enforcing their sound regulations other than live performances being shut down.

Coronado Island (San Diego) loves giving tickets to all the Navy personnel driving through with too loud of vehicles. We try to warn people transferring there but many don't listen and end up with tickets.

To be fair (to those who think that's excessive), they also (on two occasions) chased down and cited/arrested people who tried to run me off the road on my bicycle there (commuted via bicycle for years), and I've had many other great interactions with them.

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Post by kps »

Scoundreller wrote: post #164
kps wrote: post #148

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Maybe they're under a different name, but I don't see any Xiaomi phones on the REL, so I'd guess the ‘secret spat’ is lack of RF certification.

I’m still trying to get the gov to cough up the documents, but funny how the gov didn’t tell our telecoms to ban them from roaming on our cellular networks. Nor identify domestic users that imported them and put on a transition plan to get them off our networks. If they’re actually so harmful to public health. Though I wonder if our telecoms were behind this; they prefer you to buy your device from them.

I don't think “harmful to public health” is a consideration. Pretty much every country with a functioning government requires RF certification for electronics, but especially radio transmitters. It's never going to be worth hunting down individual buyers or hassling tourists, but selling is another thing.

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Post by queuebert »

chung8123 wrote: post #14
agloe_dreams wrote: post #8

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I mean you also drive a car in city limits and it is illegal to fire a gun in city limits in most places...

It is also illegal to shoot someone but we still have gun control laws.

It's legal to shoot people under certain circumstances... self defense, defense of another, performing a git merge, etc.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by sokoloff »

brianwawok wrote: post #174
extraduder_ire wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friend of mine bought a hyundai i20, and the LED lights in it aren't aimed low enough, either by manufacturing error or design, and even when dipped they shine at oncoming drivers. No idea if this is common, or if he can get them adjusted anywhere. Can't tell you the amount of times I've seen people in the other lane flash their highbeams at him while I've been riding in the passenger seat, because they think he's…

It's 100% adjustable by user. Very likely when replacing them they got bumped? The classic way is you go in a garage or against a wall and shine them, and measure to ensure the horizontal line is going down towards the ground (vs going up and blinding everyone). Not only is it nicer for oncoming traffic, they actually work a lot better...

I typical set the high beams on and aim those straight ahead.

That gives max range for high beams and the low beam down and right (for right drive countries) is then also very close to optimal.

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