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US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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> The right to repair people are leftists I think this is an oversimplification at best. Right-to-repair has huge support amongst e.g. farmers, who are not homogeneously left-leaning by any stretch.

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That's an idiosyncratic usage of left/right leaning.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#82
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post #33

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Seems likely they are talking about semi trucks, not pickups.

Well, a 3500 diesel is all of $100k today (if you're getting 4 door, dually). I personally wouldn't spend that kind of cash unless I needed such a thing (like, to pay my bills with, not pull an RV or something). And if I was paying my bills with it, I'd make sure I keep it one the road, one way or the other.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#83
post #76

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It's not on you to decide that I get to breathe in carcinogens.

As a motorcycle rider, these people that dump black smoke when they accelerate are just pumping poison straight into my lungs. I hate it so much because there’s nothing I can do about it. At least cars have cabin air filters. I get to suck it straight in unfiltered.

As a car driver without a cabin air filter, (are cabin air filters even effective against exhaust gases?) both diesel trucks and motorcycles require me to close my windows and vents because of the smell.

At least cars have smog equipment to reduce the emissions. Motorcycles mostly don't.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#84

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.

Most municipalities, especially ones relying on cops to enforce these rules, rarely take action on these complaints.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#85
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The right to repair people are leftists I think this is an oversimplification at best. Right-to-repair has huge support amongst e.g. farmers, who are not homogeneously left-leaning by any stretch.

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The right is not significantly more opposed to regulation of business than the left, except in some shallow rhetoric. They just want the regulations to align with their own world view.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#86

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

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it's pretty classic, people creating new throwaway accounts to spout their garbage because they're too embarrassed to chance it being linked back to them.

what does that say about the quality of what you have to say?

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#87
post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

Sometimes to avoid costlier mechanical work like changing O2 sensors, where often cars still give a check-engine-light if you use an aftermarket one (dunno why the aftermarket ones are so poor that they cause emissions problems or if the car’s computer was deliberately/unintentionally so sensitive to force people onto OEM parts).

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#88
post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

To asphyxiate cyclists in clouds of toxic soot while you pass them. Speaking from experience

Cancel windshield wiper fluid NOW!

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#89
post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

One motive is that it's cheaper to delete the emission system vs having to replace/repair the unit. Diesels have much more sophisticated emission devices vs gasoline engines, so it's more costly.

One does not roll coal from e.g. an EGR bypass or delete, though! The only way to get thick clouds of black smoke are too much fuel (turn up the pump) or not oxygen (bag over the air filter in the simplest case).

Many states and localities have "visible emissions" rules, where even if your vehicle doesn't have to pass emissions tests, you can still get pulled and cited for actual smoke. I've never been pulled for it (smoke means you're wasting fuel) so I don't know if it's an inconsequential fine or just not enforced generally.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

#90

This is wonderful. I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise. I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by. My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

Your municipality likely has noise ordinances for anything above a certain decibel level. This can be handled by your local PD giving them tickets for their exhausts. I’ve seen it done before. If they keep getting tickets/fines they will likely change their exhausts. You can probably call the city about it but you can also call the cops. Just remember what they say about snitches.

Don't waste your time. I've tried, my PD told me that I need to get used to the noise.
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