My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't it strange that it's unlawful to have a muffler on your gun, and unlawful to NOT have a muffler on your car?
I think one of those things should be loud and one of those things should be quiet.
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#33Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?
There's a multitude or purposes. Improved power being one, improved reliability being another. Modern diesel emissions equipment fails regularly, often in hard to diagnose and repair ways. If you spent $100k on a truck, and you could spend $2k more to 'delete' some emissions equipment to prevent $10k+ worth of repairs in the future, would you do it?
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#35What about silencers/suppressors? Haven't looked for a while, but it used to be fairly common to be able to find them on both Amazon and eBay, usually listed as "lawnmower mufflers", with pretty un-subtle hints: "This lawnmower muffler fits a 9mm exhaust and you can bang around your back yard all morning without disturbing your neighbor."
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#36Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean you also drive a car in city limits and it is illegal to fire a gun in city limits in most places...
It is also illegal to shoot someone but we still have gun control laws.
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#38google answerbox says > Section 203(a)(3)(B) of the Clean Air Act makes it a violation for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component (i.e., “defeat device”) intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to ... So, I guess I can see how ebay is at fault. But if that is literal text then…
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#40They want to further outsource law enforcement to a due-process-free zone.
This is literally being tried in court under the Clean Air Act. How does this circumvent due process?
The only real violation that might have occurred here is not removing listings for these devices where they are explicitly marketed for illegal purposes. Short that, they need to actually justify passing a law outlawing these devices, or they need to enforce the existing laws against deceptive use of these devices.