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US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by LargeWu »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #31
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

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It's must be some interesting mental gymnastics to equate "protecting consumer rights" to "state control".

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by strbean »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #31
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

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I don't know about the political leanings of right to repair supporters on average, but there are prominent supports who I certainly wouldn't characterize as leftist. See Louis Rossman for example.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by strbean »

floren wrote: post #33
linuxftw wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a multitude or purposes. Improved power being one, improved reliability being another. Modern diesel emissions equipment fails regularly, often in hard to diagnose and repair ways. If you spent $100k on a truck, and you could spend $2k more to 'delete' some emissions equipment to prevent $10k+ worth of repairs in the future, would you do it?

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Seems likely they are talking about semi trucks, not pickups.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by Someone1234 »

a2tech wrote: post #34

Anything to avoid regulating real change right? Why save huge amounts of emissions by mandating slight changes to over the road trucks and commercial users when you can instead harass regular (well asshole) drivers?

We can do two things.

The big problem is the lack of emissions regulation (or even proposed) on the commercial vehicles. However, that isn't something the legislative branch can do by themselves (either EPA or DoJ), requires congressional action.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by doubled112 »

floren wrote: post #33
linuxftw wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a multitude or purposes. Improved power being one, improved reliability being another. Modern diesel emissions equipment fails regularly, often in hard to diagnose and repair ways. If you spent $100k on a truck, and you could spend $2k more to 'delete' some emissions equipment to prevent $10k+ worth of repairs in the future, would you do it?

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It isn't just 100K trucks.

I drive a 2013 VW diesel, and this year the warranty covered an EGR and a DPF, which is exactly the kind of thing deletes remove from the vehicle.

That's about $6K in work on a vehicle I paid $14K for a couple of years ago.

Next time, when it is out of warranty, should I take the car to the junk yard? Or delete them and never have another issue? Which is really better for the planet?

Before anybody asks, no I do NOT want to roll coal. It's stupid and obnoxious. You can put a proper tune on a car and not have that issue. Soot is unburnt fuel, which means wasted fuel. You turned it up too high.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by ska »

throwaway11004 wrote: post #31
sandworm101 wrote: post #25

My understanding is that such parts are not by themselves illegal. The crime is actually using them on the road. My understanding was that they were legal for track purposes. I would never want to say that people should be able to defeat emissions, but a part of me does not like the idea that every vehicle owner is beholden to the OEM for parts in perpetuity. The "right to repair" people should be all over this fight…

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> The right to repair people are leftists

I think this is an oversimplification at best. Right-to-repair has huge support amongst e.g. farmers, who are not homogeneously left-leaning by any stretch.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by vkou »

RIMR wrote: post #40
richiebful1 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is literally being tried in court under the Clean Air Act. How does this circumvent due process?

Because the devices aren't illegal, and have legal uses, but eBay is being held responsible for the illegal ways end users use these devices. The only real violation that might have occurred here is not removing listings for these devices where they are explicitly marketed for illegal purposes. Short that, they need to actually justify passing a law outlawing these devices, or they need to enforce the existing laws a…

The devices are illegal to sell and install. EBay seems to be squarely in the first business.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by leakybit »

beardyw wrote: post #15

Sorry to sound stupid but what is the point of an emissions defeat device?

One motive is that it's cheaper to delete the emission system vs having to replace/repair the unit. Diesels have much more sophisticated emission devices vs gasoline engines, so it's more costly.

Re: US sues eBay for allowing sale of emissions defeat devices

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

This is wonderful.

I wish they did the same about modifications done to increase the noise.

I've got 2 people living nearby that both have straight-piped their car and I literally cover my ears when they pass by.

My Watch literally tells me that a noise peak happened when they drive by.

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