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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by Nextgrid »

midasuni wrote: post #198
Nextgrid wrote: post #126

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> I'm guessing they receive a high volume of support requests and are understaffed. No, the reason is that there's no penalty for the behavior you just witnessed, so it's more profitable to stonewall victims in hopes they go away, and only refund when the authority actually forces them to, which only happens in a small percentage of cases where the fraud victim actually escalates their complaint to the relevant autho…

That is how shoplifting works. Except the police will never catch you.

But when they do catch you it generally results in consequences beyond giving the stolen goods back.

TLDR: don’t shoplift, instead make a company and defraud consumers. It’s more profitable and less risky at the same time!

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by albert180 »

ornornor wrote: post #54
albert180 wrote: post #51

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Well it's not an ÖBB Night Train, it's a train operated by MAV-Start (Hungarian State Railways). It also says when booking that it's a partner train. Maybe do your research before complaining about the wrong company

I boarded an ÖBB train with a ticket sold to me by ÖBB and a partial refund for the delay from ÖBB.

Yes because you bought the ticket from ÖBB so they are responsible for refunds too. It's still a Train operated by MAV (and you also can buy tickets from them directly) and the ÖBB Nightjet Website explicitly tells you: "Der Umfang und die Qualität der Serviceleistungen in einem EuroNight Zug und das eingesetzte Wagenmaterial weichen vom Angebot des ÖBB Nightjets ab." "The scope and quality of the services in a Euronight train and the car material used deviate from the ÖBB Nightjet offers"

So no, you didn't rode an ÖBB Train

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Post by albert180 »

flopbob wrote: post #75
albert180 wrote: post #52

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Because it's unprofitable. We need to either accept that we need to subsidise these kind of services for climate protection or ban flights inside the European Union

Afaik did ÖBB manage to reach net zero with night trains pre covid. That would be good enough for me

That's only because they are subsidized for the part inside Austria. Also you need some profits for investments in rolling Stock etc...

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reacharavindh wrote: post #175

I have taken the car train from Hamburg to Vienna as a family. Pure luxury and comfort! We drive from Denmark to Hamburg(with a 2 year old), and load the fully packed car(stroller, luggages gifts for the in-laws etc) into the train at a special entrance, and walk into the coaches. We booked a private cabin/room for more privacy and also because we have a two year old. There were quite comfortable bunk booths as well…

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Post by KptMarchewa »

geysersam wrote: post #171
KptMarchewa wrote: post #119

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It's too close of a distance for a night train. It should take maybe three hours on properly developed railways that do not go around.

It has to go around because there's water in the way no?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehmarn_Belt_fixed_link

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Post by mjmahone17 »

asdff wrote: post #185
config_yml wrote: post #132

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Add an hour commute to the airport, another hour at check-in and security and 10x the emissions: it's actually a fun experience going by night train, especially when traveling with kids.

Per passenger mpg between a train and a plane isn't all that far off. Planes tend to travel pretty full so per passenger mpg is pretty high, like 100mpg. You get better per passenger mpg with a train but the train needs to get decent ridership. Depending on where you are going, maybe the train and bus service doesn't get too much ridership and your flight in might actually work out to be the greenest way.

A key advantage of trains is they can be fully electric and don’t need to carry their entire fuel load on board.

An electrified train running on nuclear or wind supplied power basically can’t be beat for low-environmental-impact long distance travel. And even for non-electric trains, diesel trains with a mere 23 people per car have a BTU per passenger mile of 2,000, compared to a typical 30mpg car’s 4,000 BTU per mile.

And even if it’s not yet electric, buying the right of way and building the rail lines is better preparation for that future all-electric world. Plus the more trains exist, the more full they’ll typically be, and the better we’ll get at making them more efficient.

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Post by crote »

ddejohn wrote: post #107
fullspectrumdev wrote: post #100

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Get rid of half of it. Especially the liquid limits, unnecessary pat downs, shoe removal, etc.

The shoes and belts thing is ridiculous, I agree. But there's a legitimate reason for the liquid ban to which I'm not sure there's much of a solution, is there?

Most of it is completely unneeded, to be honest.

The chances of another 9/11 happening are basically zero because of two factors: 1) better cockpit security, and 2) 9/11 happening.

Before 9/11, a hijacking meant you were going to be late for dinner. If everyone cooperated, it would basically just be an inconvenience. Since 9/11, a hijacking means you are going to die. Turns out near-certain death is quite a good motivator for getting people to fight hijackers.

Similarly, before 9/11 cockpit access was pretty lax. You weren't supposed to have other people in the cockpit, but it happened all the time. The door was there more to stop people from wandering in than keeping anyone out. Since 9/11 that door stays shut with very few exceptions - and it is now strong enough that breaking through the door is practically impossible. A pilot is never willingly going to open that door to a hijacker - see the "near-certain death" above.

This would still apply even without any passenger screening at the airport. You can't really do anything once you get on board the airplane, so why even bother bringing anything on board?

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Post by crote »

asdff wrote: post #193
ddejohn wrote: post #182

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That article you linked is just one big causal fallacy. It claims that the TSA admitted that the liquid ban was bullshit, citing a Slate article which does not itself even quote the TSA lol. I'm not a chemist, but I'm under the impression that the liquid explosives in the 2006 plot are a much more feasible approach to explosives than what the shoe bomber attempted. I'm also not going to pretend like I have any idea h…

I can't help but think the liquid limit was put in to limit drinking as well, thats a big part why its a thing at stadiums and other events. If they let you bring in a water bottle people would fill it with vodka and then you get 300 frat boys throwing up on the plane to panama city beach.

Don't they still allow you to bring duty-free alcohol on board? I'm not a frequent flier, but as I understand it any liquids bought post-security can be brought on the flight.

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Post by crote »

MattGaiser wrote: post #186
Findecanor wrote: post #148

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Was it EuroStar? (channel tunnel) That's the only train service in Europe I've heard of that does any luggage check at all.

No, this was in Madrid to Barcelona on Renfe.

Spain might be a bit more sensitive about it due to the 2004 Madrid train bombings. Trains to/from Barcelona might also be considered high-risk due to the Catalan independence movement.

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Post by plantain »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #189
reacharavindh wrote: post #175

I have taken the car train from Hamburg to Vienna as a family. Pure luxury and comfort! We drive from Denmark to Hamburg(with a 2 year old), and load the fully packed car(stroller, luggages gifts for the in-laws etc) into the train at a special entrance, and walk into the coaches. We booked a private cabin/room for more privacy and also because we have a two year old. There were quite comfortable bunk booths as well…

Something like this would cost $1000 in Australia

We have it - closer to $5000. https://aussietrains.com.au/the-ghan
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