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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by albert180 »

ornornor wrote: post #50

ÖBB night trains vary greatly in quality. I had the displeasure of taking the Zürich Budapest night train and back. It was absolutely terrible. Broken cars from the 90s, beds so short you can’t fully lie in them, defective toilets, blinds that don’t close, rattling doors all night, arrived 4h late… not something I’d do again.

Well it's not an ÖBB Night Train, it's a train operated by MAV-Start (Hungarian State Railways). It also says when booking that it's a partner train. Maybe do your research before complaining about the wrong company

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by albert180 »

omnibrain wrote: post #22
andix wrote: post #17

The ÖBB night trains can be awesome, but the quality doesn't seem to be consistent enough yet. There were reports of over 10% of all night trains getting cancelled this summer and replaced with regular trains (with seats, no beds). Some statistics (German, use translate in browser): https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000182197/sitzen-statt-...

The trouble lies in the old rolling stock. They bought all that from Deutsche Bahn who suddenly stopped all sleeper train services a few years ago. Deutsche Bahn had neglected that segment for years and did not invest into more than the bare maintenance to keep the stock rolling.

Because it's unprofitable. We need to either accept that we need to subsidise these kind of services for climate protection or ban flights inside the European Union

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by ornornor »

bondarchuk wrote: post #43
kalleboo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience riding trains in Europe as a European is that everything is great when you're traveling domestically (bar the usual complaints from any commuter that exist but differ between any mode of transport) but once you take a train that crosses a border things really fall apart. Especially when it's not some commuter line. That's one thing I wish the EU really did better - do more to integrate and de-federate t…

Trains within Germany (Deutsche Bahn) are also simply a shitshow. One can get the feeling that they kind of ruin it for the neighbouring countries as well.

I avoid the EC trains here in Switzerland that are coming from Germany exactly for that reason: late, crowded, broken. They just suck. The return trip when leaving from CH going to DE is usually ok (at least for the commuter part that I need them for)

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by ornornor »

albert180 wrote: post #51
ornornor wrote: post #50

ÖBB night trains vary greatly in quality. I had the displeasure of taking the Zürich Budapest night train and back. It was absolutely terrible. Broken cars from the 90s, beds so short you can’t fully lie in them, defective toilets, blinds that don’t close, rattling doors all night, arrived 4h late… not something I’d do again.

Well it's not an ÖBB Night Train, it's a train operated by MAV-Start (Hungarian State Railways). It also says when booking that it's a partner train. Maybe do your research before complaining about the wrong company

I boarded an ÖBB train with a ticket sold to me by ÖBB and a partial refund for the delay from ÖBB.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by zee2345 »

> Since 2018 OeBB said all its trains "run on electricity generated exclusively by hydropower, solar and wind power... a milestone for climate protection in Austria"

This is easy to debunk. Austria is part of EU grid, and other states produce big part of their electricity from coal and gas. Austria imports that electricity!

Plus some trains operated by Oebb are international!

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Post by [deleted] »

zee2345 wrote: post #55

> Since 2018 OeBB said all its trains "run on electricity generated exclusively by hydropower, solar and wind power... a milestone for climate protection in Austria" This is easy to debunk. Austria is part of EU grid, and other states produce big part of their electricity from coal and gas. Austria imports that electricity! Plus some trains operated by Oebb are international!

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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by jakear »

albert180 wrote: post #52
omnibrain wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble lies in the old rolling stock. They bought all that from Deutsche Bahn who suddenly stopped all sleeper train services a few years ago. Deutsche Bahn had neglected that segment for years and did not invest into more than the bare maintenance to keep the stock rolling.

Because it's unprofitable. We need to either accept that we need to subsidise these kind of services for climate protection or ban flights inside the European Union

Rather, the answer (as always) is carbon tax.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Post by filmor »

zee2345 wrote: post #55

> Since 2018 OeBB said all its trains "run on electricity generated exclusively by hydropower, solar and wind power... a milestone for climate protection in Austria" This is easy to debunk. Austria is part of EU grid, and other states produce big part of their electricity from coal and gas. Austria imports that electricity! Plus some trains operated by Oebb are international!

Big companies like ÖBB can get their power through long-lasting power purchase agreements from renewable energy producers.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

#59

Post by untitaker_ »

easyKL wrote: post #30
untitaker_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Additionally from Amsterdam to Zürich 3 people got robbed while still in the Netherlands. This train is reservation only, they could at least lock the doors or something to prevent criminals from boarding. compartments can be locked, locking up the entire train and having the entire boarding process be bottlenecked on ticket inspectors seems highly impractical

Having the ticket control at station building before accessing the platform (airport alike) can be very fast when efficiently done.

ideally yes but i don't think it can be done with the current organizational structure of the european rail network. not consistently, only bilaterally
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