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Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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Having the ticket control at station building before accessing the platform (airport alike) can be very fast when efficiently done.

ok, just quickly change the entire layout of every station in Central Europe to have ticket control

Amsterdam Central Station already has this infrastructure for the train to the UK.

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> Additionally from Amsterdam to Zürich 3 people got robbed while still in the Netherlands. This train is reservation only, they could at least lock the doors or something to prevent criminals from boarding. compartments can be locked, locking up the entire train and having the entire boarding process be bottlenecked on ticket inspectors seems highly impractical

There is already a bottleneck on these trains because the staff need to bring you to the compartments. Unlike regular trains there is a lot of staff (one per carriage). Boarding in Zürich you can only enter in one door for the sleeper. Also most stations are exit only and no new passengers can board.

> There is already a bottleneck on these trains because the staff need to bring you to the compartments.

No, that's just not how it works most of the time with ÖBB, not even in Nightjet. I walk in and the ticket inspection happens later. Yes there's staff outside with NJ to sort you in, but you can walk around them. At no point are they a real bottleneck.

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My experience was the same traveling Europe by rail. It's such a lovely idea, I just wish they were more financially competitive. Most trains did arrive a few hours late in the end. I remember on one train from Prague to Cologne, the train had to sit outside a station for multiple hours while two passengers argued outside(?) and the train staff waited for police at ~midnight.

My experience riding trains in Europe as a European is that everything is great when you're traveling domestically (bar the usual complaints from any commuter that exist but differ between any mode of transport) but once you take a train that crosses a border things really fall apart. Especially when it's not some commuter line. That's one thing I wish the EU really did better - do more to integrate and de-federate t…

Trains within Germany (Deutsche Bahn) are also simply a shitshow. One can get the feeling that they kind of ruin it for the neighbouring countries as well.

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I'm following this awesome new train company, sleepers from east to west Europe. Haven't tried it yet but a trip is in the planning stages. It's been years since I took a sleeper. They also support Interail, which many of us probably enjoyed in our youth. https://www.europeansleeper.eu There is also a startup in the works: https://www.midnight-trains.com

EU sleeper works, but the experience is ... rather traditional. Maybe one day theyll have their own coaches. Right now they rent whatever is available. Some of their couchettes are ex-GDR. Their sleeping cars are ex-CIWL from the 50s, rebuilt several times.

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I'm following this awesome new train company, sleepers from east to west Europe. Haven't tried it yet but a trip is in the planning stages. It's been years since I took a sleeper. They also support Interail, which many of us probably enjoyed in our youth. https://www.europeansleeper.eu There is also a startup in the works: https://www.midnight-trains.com

Unrelated, but there is something special about design in Europe in general. I can find it in space, form, color, texture etc. There is something that makes European design so original and special.

Yes. I think it is the light and the language. Modern European design exists in a work of long nights during winter, and gets more "European" the further north in Europe you go. So it is stark lines and bright solid colors that stand out from the background (think Ikea). The diversity of languages also encourages simplicity, with form communicating meaning. Compare Asia or North America where days are longer/brighter and languages less diverse, with designers going instead for intricacy and detail.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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I'm following this awesome new train company, sleepers from east to west Europe. Haven't tried it yet but a trip is in the planning stages. It's been years since I took a sleeper. They also support Interail, which many of us probably enjoyed in our youth. https://www.europeansleeper.eu There is also a startup in the works: https://www.midnight-trains.com

My partner and I tried that this year, the Berlin to Brussels route, with mixed results.

It definitely works, we got to our destination on time and we were mostly happy with the result. However:

* We booked a sleeping compartment, but then they emailed the night before the trip to say they didn't have sleeping compartments, so we got a private couchette instead. That's not a huge downgrade, but the communication was very poor and for a long time it wasn't clear what we were actually getting. * The carriages they were using were mostly very old stock, we suspect ex-ÖBB/DB. They were loud! Also not hugely comfortable either. We didn't really sleep at all, and we're fairly used to sleeping in loud spaces. They mentioned that we should be aware that not all plug sockets and toilets were working properly - for us it was all fine, but I suspect some of the carriages just aren't working properly anymore. * It was expensive. That's fine if you're trying something out for an adventurous holiday, or you're taking advantage of the interail ticket, but we're trying to get from our home in Europe to my parents and friends in the UK at least a couple of times a year, without being so reliant on plane travel. More options means more competition, which will hopefully reduce prices in the long term, but and I realise that there are good reasons why planes are so cheap in comparison, but it's still disappointing.

All that said, we're definitely expecting to use the train for at least one leg of most of our future trips, either European Sleeper or one of the other alternatives that are springing up. So overall, I guess I'd recommend the experience.

Re: Austria rail operator OeBB unveils new night trains

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There is already a bottleneck on these trains because the staff need to bring you to the compartments. Unlike regular trains there is a lot of staff (one per carriage). Boarding in Zürich you can only enter in one door for the sleeper. Also most stations are exit only and no new passengers can board.

> There is already a bottleneck on these trains because the staff need to bring you to the compartments. No, that's just not how it works most of the time with ÖBB, not even in Nightjet. I walk in and the ticket inspection happens later. Yes there's staff outside with NJ to sort you in, but you can walk around them. At no point are they a real bottleneck.

That wasn't the case when I entered at Zürich HB at 22:30.

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i don't know about these new night trains but oebb.at is what made our euro trip more affordable. We purchased our eurail pass but then got so confused as to how to purchase the reservations on italian high speed trains using the reduced eurail rates. Eurail's website wasn't showing the routes and trenitalia doesn't have pricing for eurail holders either. Then I learned from some eurail forum that we had to go throug…

Eurail is such a mess. I dealt with it and figured out all the reservations this past summer but it definitely wasn’t easy. Lots of work to be done on their end to improve that experience.

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ok, just quickly change the entire layout of every station in Central Europe to have ticket control

Amsterdam Central Station already has this infrastructure for the train to the UK.

On exactly 1 platform out of 15 though, and it took several years to rework all the access routes to and from that platform. It is also already much too small for all the extra capacity it will need when Eurostar intends to start using longer trains.

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ÖBB night trains vary greatly in quality. I had the displeasure of taking the Zürich Budapest night train and back. It was absolutely terrible. Broken cars from the 90s, beds so short you can’t fully lie in them, defective toilets, blinds that don’t close, rattling doors all night, arrived 4h late… not something I’d do again.
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