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Nah I think it could pass today. What set it apart was there was an equivalent cost chemical to switch to. It would be kind of like if there were a different liquid hydrocarbon than gasoline that cost the same, doesn't emit CO2, and only took minor tweaks to the engine design to switch to.
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The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil
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Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil
#92Clickbait: > Yet despite experiencing large seasonal growth this year, the ozone hole is still decreasing in size overall. "Based on the Montreal Protocol and the decrease of anthropogenic ozone-depleting substances, scientists currently predict that the global ozone layer will reach its normal state again by around 2050," said Claus Zehner, ESA's mission manager for Copernicus Sentinel-5P.
Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil
#93Just putting this here for a future "told you so". It's not "man made climate change", it's the upcoming Sun micronova which will cause a pole shift in 15 to 30 years. It happens every certain number of tens of thousands of years on your planet. You should have felt the sun "feel different" over the last few years. It's getting stronger and it's slowly decreasing your protective magnetic field. In a few decades you'l…
Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil
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#95What a stupid headline. I have no idea how many times the size of Brazil is normal. Is this 3x as large? Is it 10 percent larger? The whole measure is completely meaningless.
Apparently it is common in US publications to use such comparisons instead of proper measurements.
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#96What a stupid headline. I have no idea how many times the size of Brazil is normal. Is this 3x as large? Is it 10 percent larger? The whole measure is completely meaningless.
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"The world is the best it has ever been by nearly any metric." How about fertility of the soil, area of land covered by desert vs forest, number of insects and in general diversity of wildlife, amount of fossil fuels burned every minute, amount of opioids intake, anti depression drugs consumption, number of days you have to wait to see a special doctor, inflation rate, ... So good to hear, that you are currently doin…
> amount of opioids intake *embarrassed British cough regarding the Opium Wars* That said, your list is half global, half national. We're not all suffering from the mistakes of the USA in over-prescribing things.
Yes .. like the post I was replying to.
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This sort of ridiculous, silly rhetoric needs to end. It's not just unproductive, it's counter-productive. "ThE wOrLd Is EnDiNg!" is such a tired line, used by religious fanatics since the beginning of time. Modern-day climate activism has indeed become it's own sort of religion, complete with the same sort of doom-and-gloom "repent now before it's too late" rhetoric and increasingly not based on facts or science but…
The world won’t end for billions of years. In the next few decades, a whole bunch of humans will be financially devastated, physically relocated, and made dangerously jealous, defensive, and angry by climate change. Spin it how you like.
Yes, or dead.
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I agree, but people have been ringing the bells about climate change for 40 years. When will we actually do something about it? I think the increased sensationalism is, at the very least, a sign that people are becoming afraid about our lack of action.
This is false dichotomy. We are doing things about it - but those things take time to mature and become ready. The Zealots just cannot fathom things not being good enough to act catastrophically right now . We simply are not ready yet to ditch fossil fuels and go full-electric - among other things. There will be a day, yes, and that day might be within our lifetimes (hopefully), but forcing it right now when it's cle…
So yes of course we should ban plastic straws, even though it looks a bit silly given the much larger sources of environmental damage that have not been banned yet. We should seek to ban these too, and as soon as possible.
And indeed, doing this will cause some pain. Things will become more expensive (or more fairly priced, if you consider externalities). We may be able to buy less junk. Would that be a "irreversible backwards slide of all the progress that's been made"?
I guess this makes me a Zealot in your book.
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If you are over, say, 25, then you know that the last 10 years have been _exceptional_ years for our climate, and that the time for normal non-sensational warnings was 40 years ago or 50 years ago. Look at a graph of CO2 emissions and you realize that we are in a place where what was alarming in the 80's was the result of only _half_ of the CO2 pumped into the atmosphere since 1900 ( https://ourworldindata.org/co2-em…
> If you are over, say, 25, then you know that the last 10 years have been _exceptional_ years for our climate And if you know anything about statistics, its that ancedotes are not the plural of data and that humans have a severe recency bias. The facts about climate change are damning enough, i don't know why people feel the need to resort to poor logic and fallacies when describing climate change. The truth is actu…