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The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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If you don't know: Brazil is bigger than mainland USA. USA is bigger due to Alaska.

Couldn't the US also be bigger because of the 10 states most to the east or whatever? Why specifically Alaska?

Because it’s way out there and hard to visualize as part of the total area.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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So if we can survive the next thirty years, we're good. I can barely look forward to the next five. Edit: Woah. Humor doesn't translate well on this site doesn't it? I'm not saying the world is ending. I'm just saying with the next five years it looks bloody bleak, at least for me, turning 40 doesn't look fun. With wars, environmental mess going on; the world looks very dystopian to the vision where it could be utopi…

This sort of ridiculous, silly rhetoric needs to end. It's not just unproductive, it's counter-productive. "ThE wOrLd Is EnDiNg!" is such a tired line, used by religious fanatics since the beginning of time. Modern-day climate activism has indeed become it's own sort of religion, complete with the same sort of doom-and-gloom "repent now before it's too late" rhetoric and increasingly not based on facts or science but…

The world won’t end for billions of years. In the next few decades, a whole bunch of humans will be financially devastated, physically relocated, and made dangerously jealous, defensive, and angry by climate change. Spin it how you like.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't the US also be bigger because of the 10 states most to the east or whatever? Why specifically Alaska?

Because it’s way out there and hard to visualize as part of the total area.

And it's huge! https://www.royalalaskanmovers.com/how-big-is-alaska-compari...

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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If you don't know: Brazil is bigger than mainland USA. USA is bigger due to Alaska.

Couldn't the US also be bigger because of the 10 states most to the east or whatever? Why specifically Alaska?

Alaska is like ~20% of the entire US area. It's the single largest state, which when removed, drops US from >1 million km^2 bigger than Brazil to 500k km^2 smaller than Brazil.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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The Montreal Protocol has been a massive success and was even strongly supported by Reagan (possibly due to his own skin cancer scare, according to one article). Though I'm highly skeptical it could make it through today's political system in the US.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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So if we can survive the next thirty years, we're good. I can barely look forward to the next five. Edit: Woah. Humor doesn't translate well on this site doesn't it? I'm not saying the world is ending. I'm just saying with the next five years it looks bloody bleak, at least for me, turning 40 doesn't look fun. With wars, environmental mess going on; the world looks very dystopian to the vision where it could be utopi…

This sort of ridiculous, silly rhetoric needs to end. It's not just unproductive, it's counter-productive. "ThE wOrLd Is EnDiNg!" is such a tired line, used by religious fanatics since the beginning of time. Modern-day climate activism has indeed become it's own sort of religion, complete with the same sort of doom-and-gloom "repent now before it's too late" rhetoric and increasingly not based on facts or science but…

> We just don't need the sensationalism - it turns people off and away from all the silliness.

By contrast, this is the exact sort of haughty condescension that pushes people further away, often right into the hands of real extremists.

The sensationalism is there because the problems of our ecology are literally sensational. Dismissing that is the real turnoff here.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't the US also be bigger because of the 10 states most to the east or whatever? Why specifically Alaska?

Because it’s way out there and hard to visualize as part of the total area.

and the Mercator projection is horrible.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if we can survive the next thirty years, we're good. I can barely look forward to the next five. Edit: Woah. Humor doesn't translate well on this site doesn't it? I'm not saying the world is ending. I'm just saying with the next five years it looks bloody bleak, at least for me, turning 40 doesn't look fun. With wars, environmental mess going on; the world looks very dystopian to the vision where it could be utopi…

This sort of ridiculous, silly rhetoric needs to end. It's not just unproductive, it's counter-productive. "ThE wOrLd Is EnDiNg!" is such a tired line, used by religious fanatics since the beginning of time. Modern-day climate activism has indeed become it's own sort of religion, complete with the same sort of doom-and-gloom "repent now before it's too late" rhetoric and increasingly not based on facts or science but…

I agree, but people have been ringing the bells about climate change for 40 years. When will we actually do something about it? I think the increased sensationalism is, at the very least, a sign that people are becoming afraid about our lack of action.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if we can survive the next thirty years, we're good. I can barely look forward to the next five. Edit: Woah. Humor doesn't translate well on this site doesn't it? I'm not saying the world is ending. I'm just saying with the next five years it looks bloody bleak, at least for me, turning 40 doesn't look fun. With wars, environmental mess going on; the world looks very dystopian to the vision where it could be utopi…

This sort of ridiculous, silly rhetoric needs to end. It's not just unproductive, it's counter-productive. "ThE wOrLd Is EnDiNg!" is such a tired line, used by religious fanatics since the beginning of time. Modern-day climate activism has indeed become it's own sort of religion, complete with the same sort of doom-and-gloom "repent now before it's too late" rhetoric and increasingly not based on facts or science but…

Totally agree. The world is the best it has ever been by nearly any metric.

My father had to _literally_ practice hiding under his desk at school with a Geiger counter in preparation for nuclear war. He was then _drafted_ into Vietnam... I don't think I have it so bad.

Re: The ozone hole above Antarctica has grown to three times the size of Brazil

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if we can survive the next thirty years, we're good. I can barely look forward to the next five. Edit: Woah. Humor doesn't translate well on this site doesn't it? I'm not saying the world is ending. I'm just saying with the next five years it looks bloody bleak, at least for me, turning 40 doesn't look fun. With wars, environmental mess going on; the world looks very dystopian to the vision where it could be utopi…

This sort of ridiculous, silly rhetoric needs to end. It's not just unproductive, it's counter-productive. "ThE wOrLd Is EnDiNg!" is such a tired line, used by religious fanatics since the beginning of time. Modern-day climate activism has indeed become it's own sort of religion, complete with the same sort of doom-and-gloom "repent now before it's too late" rhetoric and increasingly not based on facts or science but…

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