Pixel 8 Pro • Hacker News Board

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by azzentys » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:27 PM UTC

codethief wrote: post #719

vel0city wrote: post #317

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I wonder how much of that is the software demands increasing and the flash storage itself wearing out over time. As flash storage wears it'll often go slower and slower as the error correction needs to process more to actually get you the uncorrupted bits. This is why a lot of cheap devices tend to just become unbearably slow after a while, their storage just gets to be way too slow. Flash storage doesn't last foreve…

Interesting, finally I have an idea of why my phones have always gotten slower over time. Is there a way to measure error rates and/or average storage latency on my (Android) phone somehow?

eMMC usually has csd and ext_csd registers that tells information regarding wear level and such. It's easy to access these from Linux, but not sure how we would do it on Android.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by amsterdorn » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

Why are these phones so heavy now? Like others have said, still clinging to my 5 and hoping for another smaller Pixel. But size aside, I don't see why this phone should weigh ~30g more than my 5.

Things are moving in the right direction (207g for Pixel 6 -> 197g for 7 -> 187g now), but I still value how light my 5 is at 151g, especially for one-handed use.

Zenfone 10 is closest thing to a modern Pixel 5, and only weighs 172g. It checks almost all boxes for me, except eSIM support.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by eptcyka » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:33 PM UTC

Valakas_ wrote: post #742

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Sure, but my perfectly working Pixel 5 is going out of support before the end of the year, I expect the resale value to be 0.

Who the hell cares that one's phone is going out of support? This anal obsession with OS updates for some people is honestly appalling. If the phone doesn't get updated every micro second the sky is falling and the phone becomes a dangerous place. What are you doing on your phone that you need to be on top of OS security so badly? Browsing on the dark web? Going to sketchy sites? Have no password savers or 2nd factor…

I do not care about getting the latest updates, I care about having all the vulnerabilities being fixed. Can you load a malicious WebM file without executing arbitrary code in a webview on your S7?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

what_ever wrote: post #498

vetinari wrote: post #233

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I don't really mind; it concerns only updates of core system, not apps. Apps are still updated, so I get updated browser, mail and other apps, that could be attacked; they are not locked to the system. It makes the attack surface vastly smaller.

They may be confusing Android updates with iOS updates where browser update comes with the OS update and not separately as an app update.

I'm not, it's two different types of problems. Just because Chrome is updated it's not safe to keep using Windows XP.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by _chu1 » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:42 PM UTC

prmoustache wrote: post #693

dotancohen wrote: post #664

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This is not Reddit, you do not need to prefix comments with personal attacks. Nor is karma farmed here by insinuating that you are poor, confused about your gender, or had abusive parents. If by "bubble" you mean my family, nobody but the eight year old has seen a new phone since before the first COVID lockdowns. And the phones that my children use were are purchased with money they earned themselves - including the…

I don't see that as a personal attack. It is factual. No teenager - except the richest ones - can afford buying a new smartphone every year, neither do their parents. And most of those that can afford it would still want to buy other things instead when they already have one, which means only the richest of the richest ones really do that.

Have you ever heard of financing for things like that? Great way to get people to get stocked up on things they can't actually afford.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by scarface_74 » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:45 PM UTC

goosedragons wrote: post #756

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You realize how bad 6 hour battery life is right compared to the MacBook Air? And my work Microsoft Surface laptop fan never shuts off.

And my work x86 Thinkpad fan rarely spins up and when it does it's way quieter than my Intel MBP ever was. Also gets 8 hours battery life web browsing which is good enough. It's almost like there's a spectrum of PCs.

I never said that x86 MacBooks didn’t suck.

My former work 16 inch MacBook Pro could easily make it through a day and half of decently heavy work and conference calls doing presentations over Chime (how do you say where you worked without saying where you worked) on battery when on site at a customer. Some of their team couldn’t make it.

My personal MacBook Air (M2) can make it 16+ hours with a relative light workload and there is no fan.

Why would I ever in 2023 still put up with a heavy, loud, low battery life laptop when I could get an M1 Air for less than $1000?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by _chu1 » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:45 PM UTC

dieortin wrote: post #691

dotancohen wrote: post #664

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This is not Reddit, you do not need to prefix comments with personal attacks. Nor is karma farmed here by insinuating that you are poor, confused about your gender, or had abusive parents. If by "bubble" you mean my family, nobody but the eight year old has seen a new phone since before the first COVID lockdowns. And the phones that my children use were are purchased with money they earned themselves - including the…

Maybe having a phone at six is normal now but it sounds crazy to me

I'm 15 and I don't even want a phone, this thing is a goddamn headache, portable little advertisement device hurdling me with ads even when I run GrapheneOS and it depresses me mine (pixel 5a) is the last that will ever be made with a headphone jack, which I literally rely on, earbuds don't need a battery. I use it because it's what I can get and I didn't make my financial decision on it.

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by envsubst » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:46 PM UTC

phito wrote: post #605

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> And so we get this waste. Wait. If they are making phones that get bought up every year because of people like your friend, then where is the waste?

In the landfill

Do you have any information about how much material going to landfills? What if 1 car is 1000 phones?

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by _chu1 » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:48 PM UTC

Clent wrote: post #530

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This figure sourcing gallup has nearly half of Americans replacing their phone "as soon as their carrier allows it": https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/07/15/how-often-...

That article is from 2018. 2 Year Contracts were still a thing back then. The contract included a hidden fee that covered the cost of the device spread out over the length of the contract. That is all gone now. Carriers have post-paid plans where the monthly device cost varies based on device. These are 0% interest loans from the carrier. At the same time, people have started holding their phones longer. Renewal peri…

The mistake was giving the general public pocket computers with always on connections and acting like they wouldn't be stupid with them or turn them into status symbols

Re: Pixel 8 Pro

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Post by triceratops » Thu, Oct 05, 2023, 1:48 PM UTC

prmoustache wrote: post #696

triceratops wrote: post #334

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You may not buy a new phone every year. But there's always someone who's buying a new phone right now. Why should they have to buy hardware that's potentially almost 5 years old?

It doesn't seem to annoy people who buy cars. In fact usually cars that were released 5 years before had most of their quirks known and ironed out through a midlife revamp or the model or scheduled preventive replacement of known parts breaking at a specific mileage. Just released one tend to be more of a problem to first gen owners reliability wise. I rely on my smartphone for work, I'd rather buy a 4y old model kno…

Used car sales outstrip new car sales 3:1.[1] I didn't bother looking up the same number for cellphones but it's nowhere near that ratio. That should be your second clue that cars and phones are very different.

Obviously the first clue is cars are not phones.

1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183713/value-of-us-passe...