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Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #321
smoldesu wrote: post #309

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If they didn't both manufacture spyware for the NSA already, they might be more willing to act out.

We have seen plenty of third party companies that have found 0 day vulnerabilities in both iOS and Android and sold the capability to nation states and law enforcement. Why do you think that the NSA needs Apple and Google’s help? But isn’t that a reason to be more concerned about government power and not try to give the government power? Google spies on you and targets ads. The government has the power to arrest you…

> Why do you think that the NSA needs Apple and Google’s help?

Because leaked NSA documents have implicated them since 2010.

> But isn’t that a reason to be more concerned about government power and not try to give the government power?

I mean, not when private interests are compelled to manufacture them. If anything, it's a reason to demand all software be Open-Source and let the malware-manufacturing cocksuckers suffer the consequences.

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #344
donkeybeer wrote: post #327

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Please answer the sibling question above, what is the difficulty in answering such a simple, clearly stated question? Why are you refusing to answer that and trying to change the topic each time?

Which question is that? Apple implemented things on top of the standard to make Apple headphones work better than standard BT devices with their own hardware. But they still implement the standards. This shows the power of an integrated solution. Apple released a better way to pair Bluetooth headphones with their devices and at the same time got the better method implemented across their computers, phones, tablets, w…

> That’s something you couldn’t do with an open standard as quickly.

We have been saying this for days, across 30 fucking comments in this godforsaken chain, but you do not listen. Let me spell it out. If you ignore me this time, I won't bother responding.

You could do this with an Open Standard, just as quickly. This technology relies on Bluetooth MAC addresses and iCloud file sync, not fairy dust.*

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by robertlagrant »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #328
robertlagrant wrote: post #263

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But how would that actually work? Two companies have an agreement to work together and share specs between themselves?

Actually no that would defeat the point. There are a couple thing we need to do beyond separating hardware and software: the first is forbidding NDAs around hardware interfaces. If you sell hardware to someone, you cannot force them not to publish the manual. The second is an interoperability mandate: reproducing the functionality of existing hardware (a CPU ISA, a GPU clone…) must be authorized, and all relevant cop…

So...why bother with the separation? Why not just publish the specs and let people copy your hardware work and be done?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by smoldesu »

scarface_74 wrote: post #315
smoldesu wrote: post #306

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> Again, why do I care why it happens. Your “open” standards leads to a shittier experience. Again, why do you? Apple's products have worked just fine implimenting open standards (eg. HTML, TLS, AES, RSA, etc.). You could easily argue that the iPhone wouldn't be popular without open standards like Bluetooth and the Internet. > It’s cute that you think politicians represent “the people” Does the unregulated market rep…

Apple products work fine working on top of those standards and adding its own features where it can make sure those features work consistently because it is an integrated environment. Well, if I have a choice between a corporation - which I can choose not to support and a government with guns and the ability to take away my rights by force having power, I’ll choose private corporations every time.

> Well, if I have a choice between a corporation [...] I’ll choose private corporations every time.

To have a choice in the first place, you can't participate in a regulated market. Right now, you're complaining that your favorite player can't "win" a game of Blackjack by overruling the dealer. I don't know what to tell you; those are the rules of the game. Apple can go play their Calvinball economy in some other developing market, and so can you.

See? Freedom of choice.

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Post by coldtea »

scarface_74 wrote: post #132
idiotsecant wrote: post #128

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Mandating open standards is not the same thing as 'making consumer experience worse'.

So everything that any company designs should go through a committee before it’s introduced and become parts of a standards body?

Sure, why not? Except for some religous allegiance to "free market" (as it hasn't produced disasters aplenty itself) or some knee jerk rection to the notion of a committee?

Re: Could EU force hardware manufacturers to make working drivers for Linux?

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Post by scarface_74 »

abenga wrote: post #350
scarface_74 wrote: post #298

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Yes because the 10% market share that Apple has in computers is really worrying…

If I buy an Apple phone, tablet, and computer, that will be 100% of my computing infra, which is all that matters to me.

Then don’t buy a device that doesn’t meet your needs? I don’t go shopping in the big and tall store expecting to find something that meets my needs when I am five foot five.

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Post by webmobdev »

scarface_74 wrote: post #295
webmobdev wrote: post #289

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> ... literally, we are stepping farther from the open market and killing some personal freedom... No, we are democratically balancing consumer rights with the rights of entrepreneurs to make money. Consumers need the right to repair and not be limited with closed, proprietary standards. That entrepreneurs may take take a slight hit on their profit due to this is acceptable as protecting the consumer enhances the wel…

So when did entrepreneurs have “the right” to make money?

Depending on the country, it is not an absolute right, but still recognized as an essential one.

See Article 16 - Freedom to conduct a business - http://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/16-freedom-conduc... and the article The 16th of all EU-r rights: the right to conduct a business and how the Charter contributes - https://www.eurac.edu/en/blogs/eureka/the-16th-of-all-eu-r-r... - for the European perspective of it.

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