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Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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It's just a country like any other, most of us are proud of the things our country has done.

Unicode is standardised in a way that uniquely screws the Japanese language. So using "international" applications tends to be uniquely bad in Japan.

Could you elaborate?

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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That is just completely opposed to the spirit of FOSS. A really sad way to treat contributors like Feodor, but a very effective way of ensuring I'll never use that fork

Luckily the guy behind nearly all of the drama (Tobin) was kicked off the team a year or two ago. It's beeen smooth sailing since.

That is good to hear, but still, as another responder pointed out, the primary maintainer didn't handle things much better - although if he had, funnily enough, at least one of the incidents would've been resolved with a lot less reputational damage

Also, I find it slightly amusing how often they bring up the legal aspect of these licenses. They're not wrong, of course, but are they really going to hire lawyers to go after someone like Feodor? At most maybe they'll get it removed from Github and other platforms that care to respond to such requests?

> You think trademark law is a joke?

Personally, yes :)

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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That is just completely opposed to the spirit of FOSS. A really sad way to treat contributors like Feodor, but a very effective way of ensuring I'll never use that fork

Luckily the guy behind nearly all of the drama (Tobin) was kicked off the team a year or two ago. It's beeen smooth sailing since.

Also, completely unrelated, but I recognize you from various FOSS IRC channels :) Hello!

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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> Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. You have to be from a parallel planet or a limited bubble to not notice that Japanese games have always generally had fewer bugs than Western games, and much less need for patches, ever since arcades and the NES.

If there are fewer features, then there are naturally fewer bugs.

That's often a good tradeoff than average user think

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Unicode is standardised in a way that uniquely screws the Japanese language. So using "international" applications tends to be uniquely bad in Japan.

Could you elaborate?

Look up "Han Unification" - Unicode reuses codepoints for characters from Chinese and Japanese (also traditional Korean, but those characters aren't really used in modern Korean so it's much less of an issue), even though these characters actually look quite different. So any given font will look wrong in either China or Japan. Since China is the larger market, almost all "international" applications plump for a font that looks right in China and wrong in Japan.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Could you elaborate?

Look up "Han Unification" - Unicode reuses codepoints for characters from Chinese and Japanese (also traditional Korean, but those characters aren't really used in modern Korean so it's much less of an issue), even though these characters actually look quite different. So any given font will look wrong in either China or Japan. Since China is the larger market, almost all "international" applications plump for a font…

Sure, I was wondering if there were any other issues.

On my phone I just added Japanese as a language and it now prefers those. Windows seems to support it fine too, as does Chrome on Linux.

I guess there are problems if you try to use two languages in the same application.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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PC in general basically stands for Patch City. It's a hellish development environment even for Western PC-only studios. WHICH PC game has been free of bugs in recent times anyway? While on the other hand pretty much every PS5 game has been basically flawless on release day.

It's not even about common bugs, it's about design choices. PC players are accustomed to being able to tweak their games. But in Japanese games you either can't tweak anything or the tweaks just don't work because the developers hardcoded settings in the executable (DMC4 SE as an example). >WHICH PC game has been free of bugs in recent times anyway? Most indie games that I played. AAA-games are bug fests not because…

> Most indie games that I played.

Fewer features, fewer bugs.

> AAA-games are bug fests not because of the platform but because of the negligence by the developers.

Meanwhile most AAAs in the last couple years from Japan have been flawless on consoles since launch day.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Interesting, I’m surprised that you think the average person feels shame over the actions of bad people. I would have said sadness in sympathy to the victims and disgust for the bad person

You wouldn't feel shame for if your kid murdered someone?

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Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Interesting, I’m surprised that you think the average person feels shame over the actions of bad people. I would have said sadness in sympathy to the victims and disgust for the bad person

I would be surprised if most people don't feel some shame when a sibling or other close relative does something bad? Heck, most of us are effectively different people than we were in the past. And we very much feel some shame when we find out something bad we did back when.

The statement that I was replying to was about feeling shame for actions by other humans anywhere, anytime. I think there is goal post movement in your response.

Do you feel shame when you read about someone stealing a bike in a far country whose capital you wouldn’t know ? You must be in despair over all the crimes committed by humanity every hour

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Seeing some talk about "built in Japan": This is a huge psychological factor in the hearts and minds of Japanese people. AFAICT, pride is a main constituent. There is a strong desire for Japanese to have accomplishments to be proud of to the world, to stand out on a crowded world stage. Another is this phrase particularly signals to other Japanese: Hey, choose this software, because it was made by our kind (pride), a…

Even in other countries "Made In Japan" still automatically implies quality.
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