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Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by PurpleRamen »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #62

I was under the impression (although I have never looked at the code), that Firefox UI is quite inflexible. It is fully functional for me every day and I am not missing anything (at least that I know of), but always thought, that it would probably be difficult to change the basics of FF UI. Maybe it is more flexible than I thought? Or they (Floorp) have put it great effort.

Firefox UI is very flexible, it's mainly just html+css+javascript at this point. But they have greatly removed support for changing through the UI itself over the years. So now you need to to change it through add-ons and hacks (userstyle/userchrome). Floorp seems to build mostly on those hacks and some internal addons of their own.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by kiliancs »

johnny22 wrote: post #77
webmobdev wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that out of these, the PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org ) is the only real "hard" fork of Firefox. The others are all "soft" forks of Mozilla Firefox in that they all just customise some existing settings as defaults or customise the UI or integrate their own extensions of Firefox and rebrand it. The PaleMoon team however forked even Mozilla Gecko ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) ), th…

it's hard to call servo a fork. its more like a ground up rewrite of a browser

It's just incorrect to call it a fork. That Mozilla started it doesn't make it a fork of Firefox.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by meatjuice »

qalmakka wrote: post #2

What's the point of stating that "it's made in Japan"? I just don't get it. Does it have improved IME or CJK support? It's not like Japan is famous for its quality software to be honest.

That's the point I guess. Japan's not famous for making quality opensource softwares, which makes the project look outstanding in Japan.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by wink »

rjh29 wrote: post #74
papaver-somnamb wrote: post #44

Seeing some talk about "built in Japan": This is a huge psychological factor in the hearts and minds of Japanese people. AFAICT, pride is a main constituent. There is a strong desire for Japanese to have accomplishments to be proud of to the world, to stand out on a crowded world stage. Another is this phrase particularly signals to other Japanese: Hey, choose this software, because it was made by our kind (pride), a…

It's just a country like any other, most of us are proud of the things our country has done.

German here. If it's digital, be extra critical, especially if the government is involved ;)

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by toxinu »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #82
toxinu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

> People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. > And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually…

> Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that.

Maybe not everybody is flexing but at least people are not complaining about that, like for this web browser.

> Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually because Japanese Companies have diversified into international teams.

So when it's technically bad, it's because the company doesn't have foreigners, when it's good it's because non-Japanese people are working there. Noted.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by PurpleRamen »

toxinu wrote: post #95
PurpleRamen wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. > And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually…

> Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. Maybe not everybody is flexing but at least people are not complaining about that, like for this web browser. > Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually because Japanese Companies have diversified into international teams. So when…

There is a significant difference between often and always...

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by diath »

webmobdev wrote: post #66
bluish29 wrote: post #20

For reference, this is not just the only player in town (for Firefox forks). There is the following: - librewolf (Desktop) [1] - Mull (Android) [2] - Iceraven (Android) [3] - Mercury (Desktop) [4] - Pulse Browser (Desktop) [5] - Waterfox (Desktop) [6] - Floorp (Desktop) [7] --> This submission - Pale Moon (Desktop) [8] - Mullvad Browser (Desktop) [9] - Tor browser (Desktop - Android) [10] This list is not inclusive.…

Note that out of these, the PaleMoon browser ( https://www.palemoon.org ) is the only real "hard" fork of Firefox. The others are all "soft" forks of Mozilla Firefox in that they all just customise some existing settings as defaults or customise the UI or integrate their own extensions of Firefox and rebrand it. The PaleMoon team however forked even Mozilla Gecko ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software) ), th…

Pale Moon is also inherently less secure due to Goanna sticking to single process mode.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by Razengan »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #82
toxinu wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

> People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. > And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually…

> Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details.

You have to be from a parallel planet or a limited bubble to not notice that Japanese games have always generally had fewer bugs than Western games, and much less need for patches, ever since arcades and the NES.

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by lloeki »

papaver-somnamb wrote: post #44

Seeing some talk about "built in Japan": This is a huge psychological factor in the hearts and minds of Japanese people. AFAICT, pride is a main constituent. There is a strong desire for Japanese to have accomplishments to be proud of to the world, to stand out on a crowded world stage. Another is this phrase particularly signals to other Japanese: Hey, choose this software, because it was made by our kind (pride), a…

> Japanese localization

Shift-JIS or whatever 0x5c shenanigans were immediately brought back to mind.

https://web.archive.org/web/20061208222907/http://blogs.msdn...

Still makes ripples to this day:

https://superuser.com/questions/1167662/why-is-windows-10-di...

Re: Floorp – A customisable Firefox fork from Japan

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Post by gwervc »

eloisant wrote: post #53
Barrin92 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

believe me the French are very, very proud of their country, that doesn't really mean you need to buy into rather cringy economic 'patriotism'. Especially when it makes zero sense as in the case of software. It's not like this browser came out of a 500 year old artisanal Japanese crafting shop, where the browser recipes where handed down the family tree With these kinds of things it's basically, I have no way to diff…

Not in software. Most successful French startups move their HQ to US as soon as they can and claim they're a US company. "Made in France" software is a shame and if you're targetting the global market (not just the French domestic market) no founder wants to advertise that. Which is a shame because we have a lot of talented engineers in France, it's just that the biggest French software companies are frauds.

> Most successful French startups move their HQ to US as soon as they can

I'm pretty sure it is more a question of astonishing level of taxation and the difficulty to rise capital than national pride.

> "Made in France" software is a shame

Any source to back this? I've never read or heard anywhere that a piece of software sucks because it was made in France. I'm pretty sure most people don't care, and those who do (Frenchmen) take it positively.

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