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Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by stonogo »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #122
siva7 wrote: post #114

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It makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. An officer would pull sometimes his weapon to prevent bad things from happening but the officer would never take the suspect as his personal slave like russia.

>It makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. That's an absolutely insane comparison. Police are funded from your taxes to protect you. Countries haven't paid taxes tot he US to come invade/drone strike them. In your country, do police officers from other countries routinely break into your house to tear it up, steal your shit and beat you up for doing nothing? Sounds more like criminals than police.

Police in the United States have conducted airstrikes on civilian homes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by webmobdev »

stonogo wrote: post #240
webmobdev wrote: post #207

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If he can be trusted to be an "American" as a naturalised citizen, why does America bar a naturalised citizen from becoming the President? (The US constitution bars naturalised citizens from contesting in the Presidential poll).

Because the Constitution was written hundreds of years ago by people who were afraid a foreign interest would subvert their nascent state?

So why hasn't that been revised 200+ years later?

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

circuit10 wrote: post #82
ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #75

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Why would you want to?

One reason is that it’s more convenient to use on computers you don’t own and can’t install software on, and other is you can share things with people without them needing to install it to view or edit your documents

OK, the first one I can understand. The second one... installing an open-source package that runs on almost everything doesn't seem like that big a deal.

But those are reasonable answers. I would rather see engineering effort go into fixing bugs in the suite, but I realize that the people volunteering to "Web-enable" the software aren't necessarily the ones who'd be fixing unrelated bugs.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by ShadowBanThis01 »

markjonsona989 wrote: post #131
ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #76

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US is literally occupying oil fields in Syria as we speak.

I absolutely believe in U.S. malfeasance; but if there's all this oil seizure going on, where's the payoff?

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by DangitBobby »

komali2 wrote: post #61
DangitBobby wrote: post #59

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You can do whatever you want with your code, you just really shouldn't act surprised when people avoid it so it can't hurt them. They don't see the tradeoff as being worth it. Maybe they don't in the other cases you are presenting as "poisonous" but in those situations they either aren't aware that it's posoin or they are aware and think that it's worth the tradeoff. Regardless, businesses have pretty much universall…

> Regardless, businesses have pretty much universally decided to avoid. I think that speaks volumes. I don't typically make my decisions based on what businesses "universally decide" (have they actually?). Most businesses are shareholder or private corporations that find margin between labor and sales; I instead structured a business as a co-op and that seems to be working just fine. Many businesses profit off pollut…

I think you're taking my criticism of the license as an indictment of your personal licensing decisions. I don't really have a problem with you licensing your software the way you choose to. You mainly seem to take issue with the word "poison", that's how I see these licenses, but it was never intended to be about the morality of using them. I'm also not talking about whether businesses are being moral in their other practices unrelated to licensing, I am just saying it's NOT shocking or surprising that they avoid potentially harmful (to them) licenses even if they could maybe save money by doing so. Even if you think that they AREN'T harmful (to the businesses) that's clearly not the perception they have, otherwise companies are leaving free money on the table which I doubt most informed companies are willing to do.

I don't care to continue the conversation where you justify your actions to me, it's just not necessary. I just wish we would stop acting like it's confusing or we don't understand why businesses respond the way that they do when confronted with the decision to use AGPL software.

Maybe it's just a messaging/marketing problem, I don't know.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by monetus »

soraminazuki wrote: post #238
monetus wrote: post #234

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Iirc, the sentence is more like 5 years in prison than death.

Get too much attention and it'll turn into extrajudicial killing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_b...

Ah, indeed - can't be too high-profile. I watch candid interviews of random Russians on the street fairly frequently, and the fear of the sentence is nearly ubiquitous.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by stonogo »

webmobdev wrote: post #242
stonogo wrote: post #240

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Because the Constitution was written hundreds of years ago by people who were afraid a foreign interest would subvert their nascent state?

So why hasn't that been revised 200+ years later?

Because nobody has cared enough.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by dang »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #36
_atreeonmyhouse wrote: post #14

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There is some confusion here. The linked GitHub repo clearly says Apache License, but their commercial website does say AGPL. They're not even remotely similar. The AGPL is regarded as so toxic that nearly all companies where office suites matter, place it on a "do not use" list. It's a good way to artificially limit your potential customers. It doesn't matter that they have a page saying "sure go ahead and use it in…

Totally bollocks. This is pure fud. Nothing else. AGPL DOES NOT restrict ability to be used internally. Agpl does NOT restrict selling software as it is. Agpl does not restrict using agpl software with proprietary software. Only thing that agpl prevent is, IF YOU MODIFY AGPL SOFTWARE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE SOURCE CODE TO USERS. Your modifications. Thats it. AGPL DOES NOT MANDATE upstreaming modifications. You can do it or…

Please make your substantive points without fulminating or calling names. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. In addition, it's in your own interest because it will make your argument much more persuasive.

Edit: we've had to ask you this at least once before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32387908. Can you please stick to the rules when posting here? We have to ban accounts that won't, and I don't want to ban you.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by dang »

walteweiss wrote: post #224
mardifoufs wrote: post #220

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You have got to be joking. I'm sorry but what? Iraq has barely recovered as we speak. The infrastructure still hasn't recovered. Compare Kyiv to Baghdad or even Kherson to Fallujah and yeah, Iraq got pretty destroyed all right. By the way the US sure did target civilians, they just labeled them militants. Drone strike collateral damage etc. Do you think Russians also don't use euphemisms? Again, even if Iraq was not…

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You posted almost a dozen flamewar comments to this thread. That's not allowed here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are—and yes, I totally get that you have good reasons to feel the way you do.

Nonetheless, taking HN threads into hellish flamewars does nothing except make things worse, and it's not allowed here (for anybody, regardless of nation).

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by ElectricalUnion »

stonogo wrote: post #229
ElectricalUnion wrote: post #219

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The Library of Congress, an agency of the legislative branch of the U.S. government thinks that SQLite3 [1] is a acceptable database format. The Library of Congress has a small amount of SQLite files in its collections. The Library of Congress also cites CSV [2], Comma Separated Values, as strictly specified in RFC 4180 as a acceptable dataset format. No other types of free-form CSV that aren't variants compliant wit…

This is all completely irrelevant. No office suite user gives a shit what the Library of Congress thinks about database formats, because spreadsheets are not databases, no matter how often you personally conflate the two. Furthermore, the LoC's job is archiving. Your links have "preservation" in the url for a reason, and "preservation" is not what people do with spreadsheets. To strive for relevance, explore https://…

> This is all completely irrelevant. No office suite user gives a shit what the Library of Congress thinks about database formats, because spreadsheets are not databases, no matter how often you personally conflate the two.

I did not conflate database and dataset. I specifically described the two types. The Library of Congress specifically describes the two types.

You decided that "others" think that database and dataset are conflated, and that they are wrong.

> edit: Your assertions are wrong anyway (...) Some random counterexamples to your claim:

It's not my assertion, it's a assertion by the Library of Congress itself. The Library declares that it has no experience directly handling CSV.

> "LC experience or existing holdings": None in relation to collection holdings [1]

> "LC experience or existing holdings": "Report of actual practice at the Library of Congress." [2]

[1] CSV, Comma Separated Values (RFC 4180) - https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd0003...

[2] Format Descriptions: Explanation of Terms, Local Use - https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd_exp...

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