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Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by mardifoufs »

walteweiss wrote: post #224
mardifoufs wrote: post #220

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You have got to be joking. I'm sorry but what? Iraq has barely recovered as we speak. The infrastructure still hasn't recovered. Compare Kyiv to Baghdad or even Kherson to Fallujah and yeah, Iraq got pretty destroyed all right. By the way the US sure did target civilians, they just labeled them militants. Drone strike collateral damage etc. Do you think Russians also don't use euphemisms? Again, even if Iraq was not…

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You are basically repeating the same tired paragraphs without even reading what I said. Who is talking about whataboutism here? I was replying to a comment that repeatedly downplayed the Iraq war. Maybe don't do that? You aren't "owning the Russians" by asserting ridiculous and false narratives (like that Iraq wasn't somehow destroyed). I never changed subject, I just called out white washing of the Iraq invasion.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by soraminazuki »

siva7 wrote: post #200
farseer wrote: post #185

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Condemning the war while being inside Russia poses grave risks to personal safety. Surely they are a software outfit, not noble heroic knights.

I don't know how i would have acted in their toes but i think i would still be held morally responsible if i just say that politics is none of my business because i'm the head of a software shop while my country is trying to annex a neighbour.

If the parent comment wasn't clear enough, the consequence for openly criticizing the government in Russia is death. Demanding that others be a martyr while you stay safe from harm is a bit too much, don't you think?

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by malermeister »

mardifoufs wrote: post #230
walteweiss wrote: post #225

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It’s irrelevant to the current topic. Considering everything you tell about Iraq is true, and not just a biased way to tell that story, it doesn’t change a thing about the current ongoing war Russia placed on Ukrainian heads.

It is super relevant to the current topic, which is that not using something just because it's made by Russian citizens (not corporations or the state) is ridiculous unprecedented. That's the point, even if you seem to somehow doubt that what happened in Iraq... happened? It doesn't change the fact that there's no precedent for that.

There kind of is precedent for that - the Japanese internment camps that were built in the US during WW2.

Not necessarily something we should try to repeat, though.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by monetus »

soraminazuki wrote: post #232
siva7 wrote: post #200

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I don't know how i would have acted in their toes but i think i would still be held morally responsible if i just say that politics is none of my business because i'm the head of a software shop while my country is trying to annex a neighbour.

If the parent comment wasn't clear enough, the consequence for openly criticizing the government in Russia is death. Demanding that others be a martyr while you stay safe from harm is a bit too much, don't you think?

Iirc, the sentence is more like 5 years in prison than death.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by Hitton »

dhc02 wrote: post #11
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #2

I’m surprised ONLYOFFICE isn’t more popular in more distributions. It’s AGPL, open source, and almost infinitely more intuitive than LibreOffice to anyone coming from Microsoft Office.

My only serious gripe with OnlyOffice is that when opening a CSV, you have to choose an encoding and delimiter, and there is no way to set a default. You must click twice, in two places, every single time you open a CSV.

I've just tried opening csv in LibreOffice and it asked me for it too. However sane options were already selected so it was just one additional click.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by troyvit »

blagie wrote: post #168
raulo wrote: post #67

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On the whole, the answer here is "not at all," or if anything, slightly increases the likelihood that I'll use it. 1) There's a difference between a government and people living in that country. If my country does something evil, that doesn't mean you should attack me (personally). The firebombing of Dresden by the allies in WWII is widely considered a war crime since it targeted civilians and killed many little chil…

> 1) There's a difference between a government and people living in that country. If my country does something evil, that doesn't mean you should attack me (personally). The firebombing of Dresden by the allies in WWII is widely considered a war crime since it targeted civilians and killed many little children.

This. 20 years ago I read an article that spoke of the Iranian peoples' admiration for American people, while the two governments were actively hating each other. It changed everything about how I perceived other countries. We don't have to be our governments.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by soraminazuki »

monetus wrote: post #234
soraminazuki wrote: post #232

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If the parent comment wasn't clear enough, the consequence for openly criticizing the government in Russia is death. Demanding that others be a martyr while you stay safe from harm is a bit too much, don't you think?

Iirc, the sentence is more like 5 years in prison than death.

Get too much attention and it'll turn into extrajudicial killing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_Russian_b...

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by NicoJuicy »

walteweiss wrote: post #223
NicoJuicy wrote: post #210

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Keep asking them why, they will normally fail after a couple of back and forth. "liberate us? Why", we are more free here in Ukraine. Follow up would be: are you free enough to be against the war? Why did so many Russians flee? Etc... Ps. Good luck... It's cruel what is happening now.

Oh no, those who are ideological won’t fail quickly. It’s not that you show them there is no logic and they change their minds. It’s more like absolutely controversial realtors would peacefully coexist next to each other in their heads. The same way those conspiracy fanatics do.

It depends.

A lot of times they are stuck with the recurring why loop.

Same with the conspiracy theorists.

Tbg. Sometimes they do find a farfetched reason that actually makes sense somehow.

The normal rule is that it's too farfetched by then. And you could just say: do you realize how crazy that sounds? What if it's "just" .... x.

Eg. for Elon Musk. He probably believes that Russia would nuke and he's just scared.

Or his business in China is at stake. Which means he's getting hated in the West for something he will already lose in the future...

Simple > conspiracy theory

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Post by stonogo »

webmobdev wrote: post #207
siva7 wrote: post #190

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Yes, he is an immigrant but he is no longer a russian citizen. That is the whole point.

If he can be trusted to be an "American" as a naturalised citizen, why does America bar a naturalised citizen from becoming the President? (The US constitution bars naturalised citizens from contesting in the Presidential poll).

Because the Constitution was written hundreds of years ago by people who were afraid a foreign interest would subvert their nascent state?
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