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Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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I'm baffled how posts related to Russian software always get politicized... Can't we just celebrate good free and open source software and leave politics out of it? Don't like who's behind it? Just fork it or don't use it at all! Software is software, people are people and governments are governments. Stop mixing it all together, it's a hypocrites minefield. If you're feeling so righteous about the countries of who w…

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Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Almost all the Russians I know personally support the war. They aren’t some silly ‘90 years olds with Alzheimer’s’ crowd, most of them are software engineers. Some of them know I live in Ukraine, yet they tell me they will ‘liberate me soon.’ From my own free will, I suppose.

Keep asking them why, they will normally fail after a couple of back and forth. "liberate us? Why", we are more free here in Ukraine. Follow up would be: are you free enough to be against the war? Why did so many Russians flee? Etc... Ps. Good luck... It's cruel what is happening now.

Oh no, those who are ideological won’t fail quickly. It’s not that you show them there is no logic and they change their minds. It’s more like absolutely controversial realtors would peacefully coexist next to each other in their heads. The same way those conspiracy fanatics do.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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The difference is actually quite stark. Iraq didn't need a massive reconstruction effort at the end of the war. Russia, on the other hand has levelled whole cities to dust, de-populated them and forced millions to flee as refugees because they deliberately target civilians as a matter of policy. They also torture and execute important local political figures where they occupy and immediately start their sinister poli…

You have got to be joking. I'm sorry but what? Iraq has barely recovered as we speak. The infrastructure still hasn't recovered. Compare Kyiv to Baghdad or even Kherson to Fallujah and yeah, Iraq got pretty destroyed all right. By the way the US sure did target civilians, they just labeled them militants. Drone strike collateral damage etc. Do you think Russians also don't use euphemisms? Again, even if Iraq was not…

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I have Iraqi friends that lost multiple family members due to bombings in the 2003 war. I think most Iraqis know lost someone due to the war. Your argument is weird, do you not think that the staggering death toll from the Iraq war affected people there? I know they are just statistics when you don't actually live through it. But considering that you seem to be affected by the Russian invasion I'd think you'd reflect…

It’s irrelevant to the current topic. Considering everything you tell about Iraq is true, and not just a biased way to tell that story, it doesn’t change a thing about the current ongoing war Russia placed on Ukrainian heads.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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Zero chance. And I'm glad that I saw this comment before following link and wasting time researching this product. To those who comment on the OSS nature of the product, I would suggest that you ask yourself if you are actually willing to perform security audits of the suite and its updates, or roll the dice and hope that your data doesn't get exfiltrated or corrupted one day. Unlike with software developed in other…

I'm assuming you're using Microsoft Office though -- if such is the case, what then is your take on Microsoft's recent Azure security lapses? Does that, to your mind, tarnish the reputation of American big-tech?

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You have got to be joking. I'm sorry but what? Iraq has barely recovered as we speak. The infrastructure still hasn't recovered. Compare Kyiv to Baghdad or even Kherson to Fallujah and yeah, Iraq got pretty destroyed all right. By the way the US sure did target civilians, they just labeled them militants. Drone strike collateral damage etc. Do you think Russians also don't use euphemisms? Again, even if Iraq was not…

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Nobody is saying that. We are just capable of acknowledging more than one bad thing existing in the world. It doesn't mean either of them are right.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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No, but 4 out of 5 Russians dig[1] their dictator[2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra... [2] https://pace.coe.int/en/news/9191/pace-committee-examines-th...

Apart from the questionable nature of polling in a totalitarian dictatorship there's also the question of propaganda and lies making people support things they shouldn't. The Iraq War being the go to example of the West.

From what I've heard, Levada Center statistics are generally considered accurate.

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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In situations where people are opening a CSV file in an office-suite spreadsheet app, they probably didn't generate the data themselves. Lecturing them about how their spreadsheet should have been a database isn't likely to help, and describing SQLite's file format, which is well-documented but not a standard, as "more standards-compliant" than a file format with an actual RFC is bordering on ridiculous.

The Library of Congress, an agency of the legislative branch of the U.S. government thinks that SQLite3 [1] is a acceptable database format. The Library of Congress has a small amount of SQLite files in its collections. The Library of Congress also cites CSV [2], Comma Separated Values, as strictly specified in RFC 4180 as a acceptable dataset format. No other types of free-form CSV that aren't variants compliant wit…

This is all completely irrelevant. No office suite user gives a shit what the Library of Congress thinks about database formats, because spreadsheets are not databases, no matter how often you personally conflate the two.

Furthermore, the LoC's job is archiving. Your links have "preservation" in the url for a reason, and "preservation" is not what people do with spreadsheets. To strive for relevance, explore https://data.gov, where CSV is abundant, because it's in use by literally hundreds of state and federal agencies, often by people using spreadsheet software, and will continue to be so for years or decades to come, whether you understand why or not.

edit: Your assertions are wrong anyway, as the LoC does indeed have CSV artifacts in its collection. It is most often in a Zip file and catalogued as "compressed data," which is probably why your perfunctory search did not unearth it. Some random counterexamples to your claim:

https://www.loc.gov/item/2022482299/

https://www.loc.gov/item/2020446966/

https://www.loc.gov/item/2023590205/

https://www.loc.gov/item/2018655320/

Re: OnlyOffice: Free open source office suite with business productivity tools

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I have Iraqi friends that lost multiple family members due to bombings in the 2003 war. I think most Iraqis know lost someone due to the war. Your argument is weird, do you not think that the staggering death toll from the Iraq war affected people there? I know they are just statistics when you don't actually live through it. But considering that you seem to be affected by the Russian invasion I'd think you'd reflect…

It’s irrelevant to the current topic. Considering everything you tell about Iraq is true, and not just a biased way to tell that story, it doesn’t change a thing about the current ongoing war Russia placed on Ukrainian heads.

It is super relevant to the current topic, which is that not using something just because it's made by Russian citizens (not corporations or the state) is ridiculous unprecedented. That's the point, even if you seem to somehow doubt that what happened in Iraq... happened? It doesn't change the fact that there's no precedent for that.
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