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iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by solardev »

AnonHP wrote: post #93
highwaylights wrote: post #75

What you can do as a consumer is.. not buy new iPhones? I don't mean as like a protest or anything. I mean just don't buy your iPhones new. They don't change much anymore, you can get caught out by this or Antennagate (or any other type of issue you get to encounter as a first mover), and the changes between years are genuinely minimal now. The iPhone came out in 2007. The iPhone 4 came out in 2010. The leap from the…

> Not much of anything has changed in the last 6. Not really. It's still basically the iPhone X with a couple of screen size options. Yeah the chips are faster on paper, and the photos have gone from really good to better, but it's a really incremental product these days These kind of comments seem to be low effort because they don't really show an insight into what has changed. Of course, if you compare an iPhone fr…

Usb-C is pretty big

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by capableweb »

zja wrote: post #140
capableweb wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do think "normies" care about the CPU is hot or not, but they do so indirectly, as the phone will start throttling the CPU when it reaches a certain temperature, so the phone will start feeling laggy. If you've ever tried to play a game on the iPhone/doing something else CPU/GPU heavy while outside in the sun on a hot day, you'll know what I mean, the performance is much worse.

Absolutely, I have the 12 mini, and if my phone is plugged into my car while using maps + Spotify, it shuts down to prevent overheating.

Haha, I have exactly the same problem with my iPhone 12 Mini too, except I use Waze and YouTube Music with CarPlay, and it only happens on hot summer days, although it was in the shadow.

My hack was to put the phone so I could aim one of the AC outlets straight at it, which solved the problem.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by altairprime »

sod wrote: post #25

If iOS wasn't just a baby OS but instead had an activity monitor, we wouldn't play scavenger hunt, but instead just see "oh, this app or process is pinned to 100% for 5 minutes, please fix the app or apple please throttle a simple picture viewing app like instagram before it turned my brick into a stovetop". I guess we have to wait until daddy apple with their full system access can reproduce it and fix in 17.1

Logs are written for those events, and name specific apps, and are accessible without a developer account, on the phone at any time, without installing any additional apps or tools. I assume you’re familiar with them (unlike the tech press, who apparently as a whole is not) and consider them insufficient. What information do you find to be missing when you review them? How could they be improved?

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by kaba0 »

gonzo41 wrote: post #113
uuddlrlrbaba wrote: post #97

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Review the EOL spans between apple and android though. Apple is still releasing security updates for the 5S, a 10 year old handset. Android devices average 3-4 years before complete end of support. Maybe HN folks will go for alternate firmware, but I'm talking about manufacturer firmware for apples to apples comparison. That $300 increases to $600+ vs holding on to a ~$500 apple handset when looking at a 5+ years tim…

5 years on an iphone is a long time. There'll be a few screen replacements in that story.

Not at all. Screens only break if you drop your phone in a very unfortunate way.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by davidf18 »

solardev wrote: post #141
AnonHP wrote: post #93

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> Not much of anything has changed in the last 6. Not really. It's still basically the iPhone X with a couple of screen size options. Yeah the chips are faster on paper, and the photos have gone from really good to better, but it's a really incremental product these days These kind of comments seem to be low effort because they don't really show an insight into what has changed. Of course, if you compare an iPhone fr…

Usb-C is pretty big

In large part because with the iPhone Pro (Max) you can run 10 Gps data rates with the proper USB 4 or Thunderbolt 4 cable.

I have the 15 Pro Max. I yearly upgrade because the modems and RF electronics are substantial annual upgrades. I live in NYC with skyscrapers, subways, underground parking garages, cell tower congestion during certain parts of the day. Also, I attend busy conferences, drive on highways, and take trains. In each of these cases one can encounter weak signals. The X70 Qualcomm modem and RF electronics are a substantial upgrade over the iPhone 14 Pro Max. The iPhone 15 Pro (Max) does better in weak signal conditions than the new 2023 Samsung s23.

"The iPhone 15 Pro Max also performed better in low-signal regions, measuring speeds of 21Mbps down and 14Mbps up compared with the S23 Ultra's 17Mbps down and 9.3Mbps up in the same spot."

"The phone did well when tested at the Wi-Fi network's edge, where it peaked at 8.1Mbps down against the S23's 6.35Mbps."

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/apple-iphone-15-pro-max

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by haswell »

jeroenhd wrote: post #52
haswell wrote: post #20

I wonder how much of this is just caused by the higher workloads people put on their new phones just after purchase: restoring from backup, installing/trying new apps, testing out that new GPU, Photos doing a new classification pass on the existing library, and just a generally higher than average workload for the first few weeks of ownership. It seems like there are always a flurry of reports of issues like this on…

At least one post I found online talked about a direct corelation between talking over the phone and the temperature of the back rising to about 42℃. I think this is a software flaw as well, but it's also probably more than just "new phone, heavy workloads". I'm sure an update or two will fix the issues most people run into, these things tend to happen when phones hit the market.

Even in this case, it could be that the background utilization from “new phone” tasks is responsible for a phone call crossing some threshold.

Fresh bugs needing fresh patches seems pretty likely as well.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by kaba0 »

AlanYx wrote: post #63
oflannabhra wrote: post #44

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The amount of titanium in the iPhone is about a 1-2mm band around the outside. The inner chassis is still aluminum, and they are diffusion bonded together. While that Ti is at the primary thermal boundary for the metals in the phone, I would guess (judging from experience with both stainless steel and titanium banded phones) that most heat escapes through the glass front and back of the phone, even though they have p…

>...most heat escapes through the glass front and back of the phone, even though they have poor conductivity. Some does, but given glass' very poor thermal conductivity (1.38 W/(m·K)), heat dissipation by the band around the outside is probably a very significant factor in total heat dissipation.

There is usually a rubber case around all of the metal, so I do think that phones should be able to operate only with heat escape through the front glass alone.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by davidf18 »

pmarreck wrote: post #118
AnonHP wrote: post #93

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> Not much of anything has changed in the last 6. Not really. It's still basically the iPhone X with a couple of screen size options. Yeah the chips are faster on paper, and the photos have gone from really good to better, but it's a really incremental product these days These kind of comments seem to be low effort because they don't really show an insight into what has changed. Of course, if you compare an iPhone fr…

> The improvements in camera, screen brightness, colors and many others strongly disagree with such claims. I've owned an X, a 12, a 13 (after the 12 got water damage), and have ordered the 15 (but not received it yet). With the caveat of not having used the 14 or 15 (but just looking at the specs on paper), I would have to agree with the comment you're responding to that all the changes since the X have essentially…

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Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by kaba0 »

FPGAhacker wrote: post #129
slantedview wrote: post #110

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Some of the reports of overheating are coming from very experienced tech reviewers, and it's happening at times when the phone is being used for basic stuff, like music streaming, without any heavy work.

But without any visibility into the OS and the processes running, there is no way to know what “heavy work” may be going on, intentional or bugged.

Remember how M1 Macs used to do read/write multiple terabytes from the SSD due to a big?

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by kaba0 »

londons_explore wrote: post #57
haswell wrote: post #20

I wonder how much of this is just caused by the higher workloads people put on their new phones just after purchase: restoring from backup, installing/trying new apps, testing out that new GPU, Photos doing a new classification pass on the existing library, and just a generally higher than average workload for the first few weeks of ownership. It seems like there are always a flurry of reports of issues like this on…

I kinda wish Apple and Google would work on this first-run case. It's especially bad when you buy a new phone and set it up on-the-go, only to find the battery is dead before all the apps have even installed. Not a great experience. They could do all the app installs and setup on a virtualized iphone in the cloud, and then just copy over all the already-configured apps.

I’m not convinced that would be possible. It’s almost by definition: prod is the ultimate testing, and especially in case of such a complex product and massive user base, there is simply no way that a few won’t have issues, no matter how much testing was done by apple.
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