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iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by rootusrootus »

AnonHP wrote: post #93
highwaylights wrote: post #75

What you can do as a consumer is.. not buy new iPhones? I don't mean as like a protest or anything. I mean just don't buy your iPhones new. They don't change much anymore, you can get caught out by this or Antennagate (or any other type of issue you get to encounter as a first mover), and the changes between years are genuinely minimal now. The iPhone came out in 2007. The iPhone 4 came out in 2010. The leap from the…

> Not much of anything has changed in the last 6. Not really. It's still basically the iPhone X with a couple of screen size options. Yeah the chips are faster on paper, and the photos have gone from really good to better, but it's a really incremental product these days These kind of comments seem to be low effort because they don't really show an insight into what has changed. Of course, if you compare an iPhone fr…

> A used iPhone 13 Pro Max in great condition is about $450 these days where I a.m.

That's a pretty good deal. I got $580 from Apple for my 13PM trade-in.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by rootusrootus »

Anecdote: My 15 pro max has been totally fine. It has never gotten any warmer than previous iPhones. And the FineWoven case everyone is hating on? Just fine, so far. No worse than any other case I've owned over the years.

Frankly I assume this is just the usual hyperbolic nonsense that accompanies every iPhone release. Some folks make a lot of money from all those clicks.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by c-hendricks »

5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #85
highwaylights wrote: post #75

What you can do as a consumer is.. not buy new iPhones? I don't mean as like a protest or anything. I mean just don't buy your iPhones new. They don't change much anymore, you can get caught out by this or Antennagate (or any other type of issue you get to encounter as a first mover), and the changes between years are genuinely minimal now. The iPhone came out in 2007. The iPhone 4 came out in 2010. The leap from the…

people who spend $1200 every 12 months on buying the same phone, are not buying a phone.

And people who bought an iphone 15 are not people who buy a phone every 12 months.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by saurik »

concinds wrote: post #87
highwaylights wrote: post #75

What you can do as a consumer is.. not buy new iPhones? I don't mean as like a protest or anything. I mean just don't buy your iPhones new. They don't change much anymore, you can get caught out by this or Antennagate (or any other type of issue you get to encounter as a first mover), and the changes between years are genuinely minimal now. The iPhone came out in 2007. The iPhone 4 came out in 2010. The leap from the…

There's one way to stop it: online culture must shift toward blaming early adopters for not waiting, instead of blaming companies for bad QA. TotalBiscuit pushed that for game preorders, and it worked, preorders declined. Change always starts from below, and idle BigCorp criticism has no effect if people still give their money blindly.

I mean... I absolutely do think early adopters of stuff are ridiculous and that the only reason I hop into bleeding edge tech is if I need or want to target it as a developer; and yet, I also think that a lot of these issues are ridiculous and in many cases (not sure about this current one, to be clear; but I haven't heard the cause yet) predictable (to the people who came up with / added it, not necessarily those of us in the peanut gallery that don't even know what really changed) to the point where it sometimes feels like the companies aren't doing sufficient QA at the conceptual level before pushing their product, as if what matters more is hitting some release deadline than making users happy.

I guess: I blame the premise that Apple is a publicly traded company and I blame the people who work for it for going along with the incentives it has to simultaneously market the hell out of their new devices right out of the gate while simultaneously not really thinking through the ramifications of their designs in a way commiserate to the idea that they themselves are the reason so many people insist on ravenously buying into this stuff immediately. Like, it just doesn't, to me, feel like a cultural problem: it feels like a problem with the kind of arrogant marketing and simultaneously arrogant technical stance that the overall arrogant company that is Apple likes to take with their entire public image.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by rootusrootus »

repelsteeltje wrote: post #35
wilsonnb3 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly because they insisted on making the Pro models with stainless steel instead of aluminum, which made them way heavier for no reason. The 34 gram difference between the iPhone 14 and 14 pro is very noticable in the hand. So now they have introduced the titanium frame as a solution to their self-inflicted problem, which still isn't as light as the aluminum non-pro iPhones.

I hear plastic is cheap, light and durable too. That would solve it. I suppose being design sensitive folks, as many Apple customers are, you could argue that plastic looks cheap. But then, most iPhones these day have a case that completely hides those stainless steel/aluminum/titanium/glass parts anyway...

> I suppose being design sensitive folks, as many Apple customers are

That trope is so very, very tired, surely on HN we can get past it?

The iPhone has over 50% market share. The vast majority of iPhone owners do not give two shits about the design of the phone. They slap it in a case anyway, and get on with their lives.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by rootusrootus »

leokennis wrote: post #112
woah wrote: post #26

Why is weight even a concern? Thinness I get because that makes a real difference in your pocket, but what's the point of reducing the weight a tiny bit?

I upgraded from an iPhone 13 Pro Max to a 15 Pro Max and even the small weight loss feels pretty significant. It’s a phone that is a lot nicer to hold.

Yeah it's interesting how an 8% change can be so perceptible. I think it's also a change in the moment of inertia contributing to that feeling. The 13PM that I traded-in for my 15PM feels like a brick in comparison.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by rootusrootus »

api wrote: post #31

A related issue exists with M1/M2 Pro and Max chips in their laptops. They do not overheat (unless you're in a hot environment) since they have fans and seem to have included enough cooling for these chips, but you do not get the miraculous battery life with these that you do with the lighter versions. I guess they made the chip and RAM a lot bigger but didn't make the battery much bigger. The battery life is still d…

That sounds like a bug. I have an M2 Max and battery life is excellent. Maybe not as good as my M1, but not far off. But it's a lot more powerful, so if I ask it to do resource intensive activities it can definitely drain the battery in a hurry. Running LLMs, in particular, is devastating for battery life.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by dubya »

highwaylights wrote: post #75

What you can do as a consumer is.. not buy new iPhones? I don't mean as like a protest or anything. I mean just don't buy your iPhones new. They don't change much anymore, you can get caught out by this or Antennagate (or any other type of issue you get to encounter as a first mover), and the changes between years are genuinely minimal now. The iPhone came out in 2007. The iPhone 4 came out in 2010. The leap from the…

You could just return the phone if it's overheating. It's only been out a week or so.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by FPGAhacker »

slantedview wrote: post #110
haswell wrote: post #20

I wonder how much of this is just caused by the higher workloads people put on their new phones just after purchase: restoring from backup, installing/trying new apps, testing out that new GPU, Photos doing a new classification pass on the existing library, and just a generally higher than average workload for the first few weeks of ownership. It seems like there are always a flurry of reports of issues like this on…

Some of the reports of overheating are coming from very experienced tech reviewers, and it's happening at times when the phone is being used for basic stuff, like music streaming, without any heavy work.

But without any visibility into the OS and the processes running, there is no way to know what “heavy work” may be going on, intentional or bugged.

Re: iPhone 15: users of Pro and Pro Max models complain of overheating issues

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Post by api »

d3nj4l wrote: post #69
api wrote: post #31

A related issue exists with M1/M2 Pro and Max chips in their laptops. They do not overheat (unless you're in a hot environment) since they have fans and seem to have included enough cooling for these chips, but you do not get the miraculous battery life with these that you do with the lighter versions. I guess they made the chip and RAM a lot bigger but didn't make the battery much bigger. The battery life is still d…

You should investigate your battery life. I have an M1 Pro (14" even) and I consistently get 10-12 hours on a fairly heavy developer workflow.

Hmm, yeah I'll look. I have 64GiB of RAM so I suspect that. RAM cannot be powered down so that's all hot ceramic that must be refreshed all the time.
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