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A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by ndriscoll »

dahfizz wrote: post #555
danenania wrote: post #536

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That would be fine if the investigations were fair and followed basic principles of jurisprudence like "innocent until proven guilty", but it's plain to see that kids are being separated based on very flimsy evidence. In my book, a doctor doesn't get to absolve themselves of responsibility by saying "just following orders" and that it's the investigative system that needs to be fixed. If they know the system is broke…

I think the point is that the blame lies with DCF, not the doctors. Doctors should report, and DCF should competently investigate. In this scenario, the doctor did their job and DCF did not.

With something as serious as child abduction, there's plenty of blame to distribute among all involved parties.

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

conductr wrote: post #548
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #518

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When I was young my youngest brother walked across a large firepit barefoot (no one realized it was still hot, the neighbor had been burning wood and the like outside). He experienced 3rd degree burns on his feet and my mother rushed him to the hospital. My stepfather at the time was basically freaking out, my mother was very calm. After it was over the thing she told us is that panicking in an emergency helps no one…

> I had to put a pet down once and I was crying like a baby so maybe not I relate with much of your comment but this was something I actually considered writing before. The most drastic emotional response I've ever experienced was putting a pet down. I knew it was the right choice, planned it out, to be done at home in the back yard, his favorite place and final resting place, and even made time for one last outing t…

For me it was unexpected, through a series of very unfortunate events my inside cat got into my neighbors yard and the dog attacked it.

I took her to emergency surgery, spent about $2k until the vet basically told me there was no point. They put me in a room, wrapped her in a towel, and brought her in for me to spend time with before we put her to sleep. I just remember after they put her in my arms she looked up at me and started purring and I couldn't have stopped the tears if I had wanted to. I'm not a fan of anthropomorphizing animals, but I like to think she felt safe in that last moment.

Even just thinking about it now gets me upset. What makes it worse is that the actions of my neighbor contributed to her death. I had to chalk it up to stupidity, the alternative would be an impotent rage that would do none of us any good.

That was probably 8 years ago, and even now if I talk much about her my girlfriend will start crying. They're just pets, and yet...

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Post by Chris2048 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #489
Chris2048 wrote: post #477

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b/c it's seen as a basic right, and issue of equality to have access to the same level of state education. The concept of "your" children is something of the problem.

It could be a problem, but usually isn’t. The (darkly) funny thing in the case of Germany is that this lack of diversity in education has created a generation with the fertility rate of South Korea (ie dying). In this case, the state creating a monoculture that results in the ‘destruction’ of the existing state goes to show why evolution values diversity far more than monocultures.

> this lack of diversity in [German] education

any evidence of that?

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

seszett wrote: post #286
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #250

When I was getting ready to turn dad for the first time, I read a few books on pregnancy, children and parenting. My trust on medicine dropped substantially when I discovered that doctors have poor notion of statistics, so they take for granted improper studies results. I remember one classic one is the "no coffee when pregnant", the study says this causes problems, the test was performed on rats and by feeding them…

> I remember one classic one is the "no coffee when pregnant", the study says this causes problems, the test was performed on rats and by feeding them coffee in the amount of 3/4 of their body weight. We can agree that with this amount, it's reasonable it could cause problems. Very different from one cup of coffee though. Honestly I don't know which study you're talking about, and I'm not trying to question what you'…

It was intended in a day, not over the course of the pregnancy

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

noodlenotes wrote: post #466
seszett wrote: post #286

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> I remember one classic one is the "no coffee when pregnant", the study says this causes problems, the test was performed on rats and by feeding them coffee in the amount of 3/4 of their body weight. We can agree that with this amount, it's reasonable it could cause problems. Very different from one cup of coffee though. Honestly I don't know which study you're talking about, and I'm not trying to question what you'…

I'm a light sleeper and I feel like I have an awareness of everything nearby when I'm asleep (like I used to fall asleep with an open laptop in bed during college without knocking into it). I have a feeling co-sleeping wouldn't be an issue for me, but with all the dire warnings I'm afraid to risk it.

My wife did exactly that because she is a light sleeper. She actually slept near the center of the bed with the baby on her chest, so she could perceive any movement. I got used to perceive baby movements too.

I would obviously suggest to be very honest with yourself, but if you are a light sleeper and don't roll (we didn't), the most you have to be careful of is heat. Otherwise, enjoy the cuddly night

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Post by pdonis »

dahfizz wrote: post #554
danenania wrote: post #496

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My first inclination here is to blame the doctor. Per the Hippocratic Oath, doctors need to understand the implications of making reports like this and only do so in cases where there isn't reasonable doubt or plausible explanations other than abuse. Separating children from parents and making accusations like this is extremely traumatic in itself, so the evidence bar needs to be very high. Even if the rules tell doc…

My first inclination is to blame DCF workers. > These people are working in the shadows, in darkness," Lamanna said. "They can show up at your house in the middle of the night with no paperwork, no court order whatsoever, and say we’re removing under the B, we’ve decided an emergency exists." > According to DCF’s 2022 quarterly report, about 60% of parents are reunited with their kids within a year after being remove…

Who gave DCF the power to take away kids in the middle of the night without due process?

Until we vote out of office the elected representatives who passed the laws that give government agencies such draconian powers, and insist on those laws being changed, we won't fix this problem.

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

nonethewiser wrote: post #481
noodlenotes wrote: post #466

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I'm a light sleeper and I feel like I have an awareness of everything nearby when I'm asleep (like I used to fall asleep with an open laptop in bed during college without knocking into it). I have a feeling co-sleeping wouldn't be an issue for me, but with all the dire warnings I'm afraid to risk it.

> I'm a light sleeper and I feel like I have an awareness of everything nearby when I'm asleep You absolutely don't have awareness of everything nearby when you're asleep. You are inherently incapable of even determining this because you're sleeping. I'm sure you react to some stimuli but that doesn't mean you can expect yourself to react to every potential stimuli that you would want to.

A medical professional explained to me that your body gets accustomed to the body presence of the baby and unconsciously react to it: the body is aware. Now of course mother nature experiments with everything, so there are for sure people who don't get this "awareness" and as such, could be dangerous.

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

gilbetron wrote: post #454
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #250

When I was getting ready to turn dad for the first time, I read a few books on pregnancy, children and parenting. My trust on medicine dropped substantially when I discovered that doctors have poor notion of statistics, so they take for granted improper studies results. I remember one classic one is the "no coffee when pregnant", the study says this causes problems, the test was performed on rats and by feeding them…

When my wife was pregnant 15 years ago, I did a lot of similar reading about various things. One was home vs hospital birth, and at that time at least, there was a strong vibe of "home birth is best birth" going around. Many people linked to a study (which I can no longer find!) in Norway maybe? It was a big study that "showed" that home birth was safer than hospital birth. However, if you dug into the study, you'd f…

I'm glad we were given an option but only based on comfort level, not because of better safety. We wanted the hospital, in case you need a rushed c section.

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

cjrp wrote: post #280
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #250

When I was getting ready to turn dad for the first time, I read a few books on pregnancy, children and parenting. My trust on medicine dropped substantially when I discovered that doctors have poor notion of statistics, so they take for granted improper studies results. I remember one classic one is the "no coffee when pregnant", the study says this causes problems, the test was performed on rats and by feeding them…

Has SIDS been linked to co-sleeping? I thought the risks of co-sleeping were more around accidentally rolling on or suffocating the baby.

The problem is that sids is vague, sometimes is used to protect the parents from murder accusation because overly tired

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

phyzome wrote: post #557
lqet wrote: post #282

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That is also what we were told after birth. My personal opinion is that the advantages of co-sleeping far outweigh the risks. It is much less stressful for both the parents and the baby. My wife simply slept topless, turned (half-sleeping) to our baby whenever it was crying, and immediately fell back asleep.

Yeah, we coslept as well. We don't drink or do drugs, so we weren't in that risk group. Neither of us has been the type to fall out of bed (which would indicate lack of physical awareness during sleep). We put the baby between us, so she wouldn't roll off. We kept the room warm so there wouldn't be a risk of heavy quilts suffocating her. And it was fantastic. No crying, no separation anxiety. Feeding was easy, so we…

Same experience. We made sure the room temperature was warm enough to not use blankets (no risk of suffocation), but not too hot for the baby.

We went from sleeping 2 hours per WEEK (I cannot describe to you how it felt), to getting 8 hours on the first co-sleep.

Never looked back.

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