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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by theshrike79 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #176
theshrike79 wrote: post #113

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It's like taking a rabid badger as a roommate. You can in theory keep it cornered in its own room (sandbox), but there's no way to be 100% sure it'll stay there. You can be absolutely sure that it will never stop trying to get out. App Store apps can be trusted to stick to a sandbox because they are vetted to a standard before being allowed there. There's no reason for Epic-F-Droid-Store have their applications adher…

If the sandbox can be imposed on an OS level then apps on alternative stores will have to conform to the same baseline of security restrictions.

The issue is that "imposing the sandbox" isn't simple.

Apple themselves have "imposed a sandbox" for Safari since the first version appeared on iOS. Still we had multiple exploits, even though they owned both sides of the code.

Now imagine a situation where you're building a sandbox and the sandboxed application is using every trick possible to try to get out.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by cryptonym »

scotty79 wrote: post #734
noirscape wrote: post #660

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If Blink becomes a monopoly, and with it chromium, then Google can finally be "properly" hit with an antitrust case over Chrome. Especially when combined with the fact the big G can't keep directly funding Firefox to create a fake competition anymore under the new rules from the digital markets act. Google should've been hit with an antitrust case on Chrome years ago and their recent shenanigans with the topics api o…

> Google can finally be "properly" hit with an antitrust case over Chrome. What do you think google should do to avoid getting punished? What kind of action would you like to see from Google regarding the near monopoly of Chrome and Blink?

That probably not for us to decide. One way could probably be splitting the company so it's not at the same time a major content publisher, the main ad platform and a monopolistic browser vendor.

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Post by catchnear4321 »

donatj wrote: post #776
globular-toast wrote: post #762

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Big disagree. You just clean it out with a brush or something. Maintain your shit. God, imagine if you ever owned the roof over you head or something. USB-C has the retaining clips in the cable which is a replaceable and sacrificial item. Lightning has it in the device so once it goes the whole device is essentially dead. So much for "vastly inferior".

I take very good care of my things. The plug on my phone should not require daily maintenance though. I have had cell phones since the late 90s and USB-C is the only plug that has given me trouble. USB-C over a pretty short period collects lint. It gets compressed into the connector little by little every time you seat the cable and eventually your cable won't seat anymore. You then find a very solid plug in the bott…

had to do this with my iphone a few years ago. used a plastic toothpick (rather than metal, of course) to extract the lint.

what you describe happened to the lightning port.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by globular-toast »

donatj wrote: post #776
globular-toast wrote: post #762

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Big disagree. You just clean it out with a brush or something. Maintain your shit. God, imagine if you ever owned the roof over you head or something. USB-C has the retaining clips in the cable which is a replaceable and sacrificial item. Lightning has it in the device so once it goes the whole device is essentially dead. So much for "vastly inferior".

I take very good care of my things. The plug on my phone should not require daily maintenance though. I have had cell phones since the late 90s and USB-C is the only plug that has given me trouble. USB-C over a pretty short period collects lint. It gets compressed into the connector little by little every time you seat the cable and eventually your cable won't seat anymore. You then find a very solid plug in the bott…

I've had a USB-C phone for 7 years. I did indeed have to use a needle to remove the lint that built up one time. One time in seven years. I enjoyed it. It was so satisfying and it's a shame I've never needed to do it again.

It's really not a big deal. It's just a needle. An incredibly common tool found in most households.

The advantages easily outweigh this one small downside.

The main advantage is ubiquity. You can thank Apple for Lightning not having that. They could have made USB-C redundant, but of course that just isn't the Apple way.

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Post by theshrike79 »

redeeman wrote: post #237
maccard wrote: post #190

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It won't be an alternative store, the game will get pulled from the app store. Now, despite the fact that I bought an iOS device to avoid having to deal with shitty third parties, I'm forced to use the epic store and whatever else.

yes, zuckerberg is literally holding a gun to you head, "INSTALL META OR ELSE!"

Epic will pull Fortnite off App Store at lightning speed.

It'll only be available on their own store where they get 100% of profits and can use any kind of predatory crap to get kids to pay for the next fancy skin.

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Post by fredgrott »

faeriechangling wrote: post #227
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

clearly you forgot what Google Chrome uses as a code base....Safari....whoops and clearly Google Chrome is somewhat a monopoly on PC devices

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Post by simongray »

sensanaty wrote: post #677

I tend to drop the bot/shill-detector part of my brain when I'm on HN, but whenever this topic crops up it's always a deluge of people with the same exact arguments saying "ohh my poor grandma will be coerced to install a Virus if we allow the owner of an iDevice any freedom whatsoever with hardware they bought!!!", and it's quite interesting to me the volume of comments with the exact same identical sentiment copy/p…

> Hope this passes the same way the USB-C thing passed. All these parasitic megacorps with more money than many countries need to be whipped into submission for their shenanigans

It has already passed and is active legislation as of this year, but there is some built-in grace period for making the changes.

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Post by InsomniacL »

donatj wrote: post #753
anhner wrote: post #693

I remember years ago, when the EU first announced they would force Apple to switch to USB-C (well, not specifically Apple, but mandate a single cable type), there were droves of users on HN wailing that "what business does EU have to dictate which cable companies should use?" Yet here we are, everyone praising iPhone 15 for having a USB-C connector. I am looking forward to a couple of years down the line when we can…

With no regard for specified speed / power capabilities, USB-C is in and of itself a vastly physically inferior connection. It becomes easily impacted with pocket lint, and the tolerances are so small it can't be cleaned with normal tools. Not even just the phone, but the cable as well. I'm an Android user and I have spent years dreaming that Apple would just open Lightning to the community. I am kind of lightly thri…

Transfer speeds by year

    2001 USB: 480Mb/s

    2012 Lightening 480Mb/s

    2023 USB 80,000 Mb/s

    2023 Lightening 480 Mb/s
But just on physical characteristics, I've had to deal with multiple iPhone with a broken pins whereas broken pins for USB is just a replacement cable.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by adesanmi »

Kbelicius wrote: post #774
indigo0086 wrote: post #468

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User has the freedom to buy or not. Any other expectations the user has can't be regulated into existence and be called "freedom". So-called hackers constantly begging for regulation without thinking one step ahead of the consequences of increased tech regulation is more baffling.

> User has the freedom to buy or not. User also has the freedom to use whatever he bought in any way he sees fit (as long as it isn't illegal). Or do you consider that something a user shouldn't be able to do?

And a business has freedom to restrict their products to prevent what they believe isn’t the use case they want. And users have the freedom to put their money where their mouth is by purchasing alternatives on the market.
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