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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

cmdli wrote: post #182
skullone wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people would simply like choice? I know I know, Apple doesn't really offer any choice on their phones, but the point is they should.

But people have a choice. They can choose Android, but they don’t, even though they know iPhones are locked down. By this point, you have to assume that the people who buy iPhones are okay with it. Apple doesn’t have a monopoly by any means.

Iphone hardware is better, so is software support. Both will not be altered by allowing sideload

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by FieryTransition »

idkwhoiam wrote: post #614

Hey EU, can you please ask BMW to open everything up to its rivals so that I can use Toyota's infotainment system instead of BMW's iDrive. I also want to be able to run PS games on XBox & vice versa without having to buy separate copies. And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes

I live in one of the myriad of countries in the eu, so I'm confused about what you mean when you say protectionist taxes and which country you are referring to or just something else?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by PlutoIsAPlanet »

pmontra wrote: post #559
faeriechangling wrote: post #227

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>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

> WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future Of course it won't, because Apple restricts it to run only on devices built by Apple. They had a Safari for Windows many years ago, then killed it.

Safari != WebKit.

WebKit itself runs on Windows fine, Mac and Linux. Both Mac and Linux have browsers supported by the WebKit project (Safari and GNOME Web).

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

idkwhoiam wrote: post #614

Hey EU, can you please ask BMW to open everything up to its rivals so that I can use Toyota's infotainment system instead of BMW's iDrive. I also want to be able to run PS games on XBox & vice versa without having to buy separate copies. And lastly, how about you open up your very own market to everyone by lifting protectionist taxes

That would be really nice, allow ps store on xbox(if they want) and viceversa And for car infotainment that would be a godsend. Classic car companies do a terrible job with their infotainment systems I'm hoping for smartwatch revision too: almost all smartwatches don't allow sideload/alternate stores(well technically you can, but cumberstone) or even firmware replacement

But i guess one step at a time

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by makeitdouble »

troupo wrote: post #533
makeitdouble wrote: post #457

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> Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, You say that as if Apple was a powerless victim with no money and no lawyers. I'd argue Apple having to straight face Google's domination and doing something about it on the open (basically forcing regulation) would be a better outcome than letting them take iOS users in hostage forever.

> I'd argue Apple having to straight face Google's domination and doing something about it on the open Apple has never been big on the web. Google has the world's most popular web properties which it has used to both push Chrome and sabotage competition.

> Apple has never been big on the web.

At some point they had a new browser that they provided to windows as well and could have expanded way further. They could have made Safari a true alternative to IE, Chrome, Firefox. They didn't, it didn't make sense for them.

So yes, Apple isn't big on the web, but it's in part of their own doing. Safari not being a viable browser outside of the mac and iOS is nobody's fault except Apple.

On wether Apple can face Google...let's put it in perspective:

- can Apple face Facebook: sure, at one point they killed their stock value overnight through a single policy change on iOS

- can Apple face Microsoft: a long time ago no. Today they're showing Microsoft the middle finger when they're trying to let users stream games on Apple's platform.

- can Apple face the US government: welp, they sure do. We've seen nothing coming out from any trial or policy happening in the US.

So, can Apple face Google ? I kinda think they can, yes. They have the money, the lawyers, the lobbies and politicians in their pocket. If they really wanted to, they could probably force Google to change on any front they're competing on.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by oaiey »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #516
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I don’t want Facebook to be able to say that I can’t use Whatsapp unless I install their rootkit store.

Did not happen on Android at least in the western hemisphere.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

gigatexal wrote: post #523

I’m going to get pilloried for this but I like the rather draconian heavy handed way Apple keeps iOS locked down. It’s an appliance. I can trust it. If or when it gets opened up I’ll still stick to all the Apple or first party stores and things. That the iPhone is locked down and android is open is a feature and difference that consumers choose I think.

So you say iphone can offer alternate stores/sideload and still keep old behavior for users that want to stay in apple's ecosystem? So why lock down iphone then? Consumers that want it locked down, will keep their old routines...

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by ranguna »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #516
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I don’t want Facebook to be able to say that I can’t use Whatsapp unless I install their rootkit store.

Yep, just like they do on android. Oh... Wait a second, they don't do that.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

FredPret wrote: post #560
seydor wrote: post #535

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I dont agree with it at all, but you are right, people buy apple because need to trust somebody and they trust apple to keep making the right product for them. I don't even consider them superior but certainly trustworthy. Whatever changes apple implements would have to be easily revertable so people can go back to their golden prison.

It’s not a prison to keep me in. It’s a wall to keep bad things out.

So you can still stay behind the wall if you want while others can break from the prison))) that's the point

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Moldoteck »

cmdli wrote: post #184

I, for one, do not look forward to having to sideload Facebook, Instagram, Google, Gmail, and every single other megacorps app just because they want to track my every click. I would rather give power to Apple than all the other companies.

So don't sideload them and use apple's products just like before, you have the freedom to not install them
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