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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by fomine3 »

boringg wrote: post #400

Is this just one big protectionist move? Opening the doors for more EU app companies to rake more money? I'm not even sure which EU companies are spending the big lobbying dollars for this one? Anyone? Conceptually I'm on board in practice I'm not. Once we actually look at what the other side looks like it's going to be super disappointing. And like everyone else said -- if you don't like the platform go shop for ano…

0day malwares are due to OS security fault. Hardening must be done by OS rather than store. There are already ways to install non-inspected iOS app.

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Post by shuckles »

idle_zealot wrote: post #473
highwayman47 wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's a pain in the ass to use, and some permissions are still locked to Apple's first party apps.

It's really funny that there are hackers arguing sincerely that software freedom is worth any price but think it's a "pain in the ass" to press a couple buttons for software freedom once a week (or annually, for $99).

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by gigatexal »

I’m going to get pilloried for this but I like the rather draconian heavy handed way Apple keeps iOS locked down. It’s an appliance. I can trust it.

If or when it gets opened up I’ll still stick to all the Apple or first party stores and things.

That the iPhone is locked down and android is open is a feature and difference that consumers choose I think.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by NegativeK »

osti wrote: post #415

It's complete bs that Microsoft gets anti monopoly lawsuit just for having IE as default browser, but Apple can just force everyone to only be able to install software thru their own app store.

Windows had a vast majority of consumer installs. Microsoft was slapped around for using that monopoly position to push out other competitors.

Without even approaching whether it's a good case or not, Apple's situation is different: The monopoly claims against Apple are that they have complete dominance on their platform, not on all consumer platforms.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by shuckles »

Apocryphon wrote: post #212
sbuk wrote: post #207

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Who decided the iPhone is a general-purpose computing device?

Apple did for iPads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S5BLs51yDQ https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/16/ipad-pro-whats-a-computer-ad/

That ad says literally the opposite of what you claim: the iPad is NOT a computer.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Daishiman »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #410
Daishiman wrote: post #372

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Users in a duopoly are getting coerced to a degree far more important to individual freedoms than the largest publicly traded corporation.

Users are not being coerced. Not being offered the products you want is not coercion.

I literally cannot use public parking in my city without an app. A ton of services are requiring app based 2FA for their use. Anyone without a smartphone that uses either Android or iOS is literally being left out of a huge chunk of the modern world.

“Own this or you’ll be relegated to the fringes of society” very much sounds like coercion to me.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Vespasian »

hexis wrote: post #390
no_wizard wrote: post #298

Ironically, I believe all this scrutiny on Apple really started with degraded developer relations and their 30% take on in app sales. If they had invested in better dev relations and dropped their 30% take (instead of coming up with all the weird ways you have to qualify for lower rates, which don't cover all scenarios), I don't think there would have been enough noise from below on this.

One of the biggest own-goals I've ever seen, really breathtaking how Apple botched this.

It's their hubris that lead to this. For some reasons companies always seem to believe that they have an upper hand over even the most powerful governmental structure.

The very powerful people at the helm of Apple, Google and friends seem to forget that on the other side of the table there are powerful people as well and that those are quite similar to themselves.

I believe a large contributing factors were the public appearances (or lack thereof) of Tech Execs in front of government bodies (think Zuckerberg in the Senate) where it became clear that they think themselves above the rules of mere mortal man.

They committed the capital offence publicly "ridiculing" powerful politicians (and by proxy the people who elected them) all over the world and that is something that won't fly in the long term.

Come on Mark, suck in your ego, grovel a bit and agree to some semi-token compromises to keep the money train going.

And for the love of god spend some real money in Europe and pay your taxes if you want political leverage.

Apparently that was too much of an ask and now that the eyes of the public and regulators are on Big Tech they will be taken down a notch to "just" being profitable companies.

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Post by dmt0 »

brokenmachine wrote: post #506
sugarkjube wrote: post #398

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> I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing Dream on. I use Firefox on my (android) phone and tablet, and it is seriously crippled. Also evolving in the wrong direction. (becoming more crippled)

In what way is android Firefox crippled? I have adblocking and even use Tampermonkey on it.

And in fact you can use ANY extensions if you use Firefox Nightly with Collections https://www.androidpolice.com/install-add-on-extension-mozil...

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by singularity2001 »

theshrike79 wrote: post #120
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #109

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If you like Apple's policies, just don't sideload and install everything from their official AppStore. Nothing will change for you then. You can do it on MacBooks as well.

When this goes through, you can be 100% sure there will be a Meta-only iOS store along with a Google iOS store and all their apps will move there. After that if you want to use apps to access any Google or Meta service, you'll need to get it from their store - that doesn't have any pesky limitations on user profiling or stupid guidelines for privacy.

So the problem is Meta/Google, not Apple

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Post by baq »

diego_sandoval wrote: post #410
Daishiman wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users in a duopoly are getting coerced to a degree far more important to individual freedoms than the largest publicly traded corporation.

Users are not being coerced. Not being offered the products you want is not coercion.

It’s electricity a product or a utility? What is a smartphone?

I’d argue that smartphones are rapidly approaching being utilities and search is way past that point.

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