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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #175

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Was Microsoft preventing people from installing firefox on their PCs? Am I misremembering this era?

It was Netscape at the time, and yes. Yes, they were.

Microsoft required PC manufacturers to have IE installed along with Windows, which is shitty, but not nearly as shitty as preventing users from installing Netscape, which they did not do.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Switch to another phone then. Easy peasy. Why would you buy a phone with this known limitation if you care about it?

Maybe people would simply like choice? I know I know, Apple doesn't really offer any choice on their phones, but the point is they should.

But people have a choice. They can choose Android, but they don’t, even though they know iPhones are locked down. By this point, you have to assume that the people who buy iPhones are okay with it. Apple doesn’t have a monopoly by any means.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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People already use their phones for everything in our modern society, so they have simply declared them to be that, regardless of what Apple thinks about it. Even if I'd personally like it, I don't think the same argument makes much sense for a PS5 - when have you last used it to order groceries or new furniture? Apple would love to get a cut of those purchases, by the way. Starting by dealing with the devices that h…

>when have you last used it to order groceries or new furniture? Apple would love to get a cut of those purchases, by the way. You can, though. There's no particularly convenient way to do most of those things, but that's largely because of manufacturer limitations. Nothing stopping you from using the browser on your Switch to go do instacart.com, tho. >Starting by dealing with the devices that have the highest impac…

> Nothing stopping you from using the browser on your Switch to go do instacart.com, tho.

You can't just open up a browser on the switch (or a ps5 for that matter). You have to use a workaround to access the browser that's only intended for viewing help/regulatory pages and interacting with wifi captive-portals. I guess they're really mad about the browser exploits that hit them in previous gens. (although, doesn't matter if you still have any browser access)

It's on about the same level as escaping the UI on a touchscreen kiosk to access the web.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I guess you either are unaware or have an outdated device. I have Brave set to the default browser on iPadOS and iOS.

There was/is previously a restriction on including dynamic content or non UIWebView/WKWebView rendering, but I'm unaware of current IAS-MAS policies.

You're also demanding the impossible/very difficult because mobile browsers don't support extensions. It's just not a thing.

Also, Firefox is already available for iOS. If it doesn't meet your requirements, then it's FOSS and you're welcome to contribute improvements that meet your requirements.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #175

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Was Microsoft preventing people from installing firefox on their PCs? Am I misremembering this era?

It was Netscape at the time, and yes. Yes, they were.

They weren't preventing you from installing Netscape. They were bundling IE with their computers by default, and less technical savvy people didn't know they could install and use another browser.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Alternate web browsers are allowed on iOS. The rendering engine is a boring, unimportant implementation detail that users do not care for. The success of Chrome for iOS is proof that rendering engine doesn't matter for diversity.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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If you like Apple's policies, just don't sideload and install everything from their official AppStore. Nothing will change for you then. You can do it on MacBooks as well.

When this goes through, you can be 100% sure there will be a Meta-only iOS store along with a Google iOS store and all their apps will move there. After that if you want to use apps to access any Google or Meta service, you'll need to get it from their store - that doesn't have any pesky limitations on user profiling or stupid guidelines for privacy.

I think the threat of rival app stores is highly overrated: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33978081

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30808926

I don't think they have the product gumption, nor do users have the patience, to deal with multiple app stores. They'll just end up abandoning those apps, at least on iOS. Also regulators will not be amused by other companies forcing users to use their own walled gardens if those gardens are going to be full on data-mining operations.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #182

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Maybe people would simply like choice? I know I know, Apple doesn't really offer any choice on their phones, but the point is they should.

But people have a choice. They can choose Android, but they don’t, even though they know iPhones are locked down. By this point, you have to assume that the people who buy iPhones are okay with it. Apple doesn’t have a monopoly by any means.

This argument holds less weight, when you consider things like iMessages, where there are network effects and no cross-platform support. Also, there are a number of apps that are only available on IOS, due to its higher market share and greater user spend. So there is a high switching cost, which is a direct function of Apple's dominant market position.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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It's like taking a rabid badger as a roommate. You can in theory keep it cornered in its own room (sandbox), but there's no way to be 100% sure it'll stay there. You can be absolutely sure that it will never stop trying to get out. App Store apps can be trusted to stick to a sandbox because they are vetted to a standard before being allowed there. There's no reason for Epic-F-Droid-Store have their applications adher…

Ok, so what, apple can still claim you have the same protection if you use just our app store. And I have the ability to use the alternative store where I can download a game without paying apple 30%. It's great.

It won't be an alternative store, the game will get pulled from the app store.

Now, despite the fact that I bought an iOS device to avoid having to deal with shitty third parties, I'm forced to use the epic store and whatever else.

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