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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by huytersd » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:48 AM UTC

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Everything is stellar because it’s locked down. You can go “hack” on your android and leave the perfectly good status quo as is on the iPhone.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:49 AM UTC

bitwize wrote: post #503

kibwen wrote: post #318

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> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.

Apple has done more for user freedom than the open source movement ever could, by creating products that uncompromisingly put the user first, enabling ordinary people to do things they could never do before. Tech nerds are a tiny sliver of a tiny sliver of the market; compared to the empowered users who appreciate Apple's commitment to keep its platforms secure and high quality, the number of people who really want t…

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by sureglymop » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:49 AM UTC

henry2023 wrote: post #564

cozzyd wrote: post #460

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many of the best apps I have are from f-droid...

Which ones? Maybe there's one or two I can check

BreezyWeather, DavX5, jtx Board, Shelter, Floccus, FediLab, UntrackMe, Keepass2Android, andOTP, OpenKeychain, PCAPDroid, AnkiDroid.

These are some good ones off the top of my head.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by matheusmoreira » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:52 AM UTC

caskstrength wrote: post #567

kibwen wrote: post #318

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> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.

And I am perpetually baffled by people crying "Steve Jobs phone open when???!!1" in every such thread, so let me explain in clear terms that even most obtuse people could understand: I spent enough time removing crap like MacKeeper from my GFs/mothers MacBooks and really _not_ looking forward to having to do the same on their iPhones. No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devic…

> buy an Android device and install whatever software they want like I did

Good luck with that. Hardware remote attestation will fail, outing you to the corporations as someone who "tampered" with the device. You'll be refused service based on that alone, from frivolous content consumption to vital banking services.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by c048 » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:52 AM UTC

huytersd wrote: post #568

bmitc wrote: post #472

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> I think it comes down to what we expect the second order effects to be. Apple is the wealthiest single organization in the history of the world, and they just make consumer electronics. This isn't some deep ecological problem. Very little good has come out of letting these big corporations go completely unchecked.

Just some consumer electronics? Phones and computers run the world now.

Yeah, and the ones Apple makes are both consumer grade and nothing special.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by shaan7 » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:52 AM UTC

caskstrength wrote: post #567

kibwen wrote: post #318

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> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.

And I am perpetually baffled by people crying "Steve Jobs phone open when???!!1" in every such thread, so let me explain in clear terms that even most obtuse people could understand: I spent enough time removing crap like MacKeeper from my GFs/mothers MacBooks and really _not_ looking forward to having to do the same on their iPhones. No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devic…

> No, they don't need "freedom" to be tricked into installing crapware on their devices same way as I don't need "freedom" to cut my face with an open razor

But guess what, in the real world you do have the freedom to cut your face with an open razor. Still, you don't see everyone using one (unless they know what they're doing), they rather use a safe razor - they have the sensibility.

I find it demeaning that we "hackers" assume that a certain set of people will never learn about safety when it comes to computing. They can (they did with the razor), but they certainly won't when we give up on them.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by rgreekguy » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:54 AM UTC

This is an important detail that makes iPhone a viable option for me. I thought the problem would be the elapsed time until E.U. actually passes/forces that, but I had forgotten about the full glass backs.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by henry2023 » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:55 AM UTC

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #365

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Please buy an Android then. Why insist on giving your hard earned money to someone who does not care about your requirements ?

Because I like iPhone hardware. It's high quality and lasts.

The EU has the right to mandate rules on what corporations sell to its population. No one is forcing Apple to keep selling phones in the EU. They could even create a version of iPhone exclusively for them. Hopefully that hasn't been the case and finally we all have USB-C. Thanks EU.

Hopefully they start being much more strict about repairability and openness.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by matheusmoreira » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:55 AM UTC

martimarkov wrote: post #332

kibwen wrote: post #318

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> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.

You have freedom to chose the platform.

Not if you want to run WhatsApp or your bank's app.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by tommiegannert » Wed, Sep 27, 2023, 6:56 AM UTC

peanuty1 wrote: post #439

nicbou wrote: post #434

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iMessage is pretty rare. Europe is on WhatsApp

Don't most Europeans use Android whereas most Americans/Canadians/Australians/Britons use iPhone?

US: Apple first at 42% in 2022 (Samsung second at 35%) [1]

Europe: Apple second at 23% in 2021 (Samsung first at 29%) [2]

I wouldn't say that most Americans use iPhone, but the market-share is significantly bigger.

[1] https://mobilityarena.com/top-5-mobile-phone-brands-in-the-u...

[2] https://www.phonearena.com/news/smartphone-market-europe-202...