Is my browser blocking parts of the article or is the article low on details? like what does it mean if the law becomes effective in November, how much time will Apple have to open up, will side loading be allowed immediately, how? etc
EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#532Earlier quoted context omitted.
I downvoted this because you're ignoring iMessage. The fact that Apple purposefully not only gives Android users a shitty experience when communicating with iOS users, but also ensures that the presence of an Android user can break the experience for everyone else in a group chat (e.g. degraded videos now for everyone) in iMessage is a blatant attempt to abuse their monopoly power (in the US at least where iMessage d…
The green bubbles break Apple's accessibility guidelines - making it more difficult to read (especially for visually impaired users). The better option is switching to Signal, but some people have strange hangups.
Accessibility > Display & Text Size > Increase Contrast
If there’s one thing Apple is doing right, it’s building excellent accessibility options right into their OS.
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#533Earlier quoted context omitted.
>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…
> Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, You say that as if Apple was a powerless victim with no money and no lawyers. I'd argue Apple having to straight face Google's domination and doing something about it on the open (basically forcing regulation) would be a better outcome than letting them take iOS users in hostage forever.
> I'd argue Apple having to straight face Google's domination and doing something about it on the open
Apple has never been big on the web.
Google has the world's most popular web properties which it has used to both push Chrome and sabotage competition.
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#534Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…
I don’t want Facebook to be able to say that I can’t use Whatsapp unless I install their rootkit store.
That’s great because with the platform being open you’ll be able to sideload it like any other app :)
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#535I’m going to get pilloried for this but I like the rather draconian heavy handed way Apple keeps iOS locked down. It’s an appliance. I can trust it. If or when it gets opened up I’ll still stick to all the Apple or first party stores and things. That the iPhone is locked down and android is open is a feature and difference that consumers choose I think.
I dont agree with it at all, but you are right, people buy apple because need to trust somebody and they trust apple to keep making the right product for them. I don't even consider them superior but certainly trustworthy.
Whatever changes apple implements would have to be easily revertable so people can go back to their golden prison.
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#536Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…
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Except it's not reliable, so there is no cake
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#537Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…
>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…
I'm surprised nobody else mentioned this, but V8 is just a JavaScript engine, not a Web Browser or web rendering engine. Blink is the name for the broader web rendering engine behind Chromium and a number of other browsers.
So WebKit, Blink/Chromium, and Gecko are the main ones to my knowledge.
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#538Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…
Apple is not following standards, web standards , messaging standards and this hurts developers , especially smaller ones, and prevents competition. How would you force them to follow the standards ?
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#539Good lord, this is the whinge that never ends, isn’t it? If you want an Android phone, dozens if not hundreds of companies will sell you one. You can quite literally choose the level of openness you desire. Personally I prefer the Apple ecosystem where things just tend to work well. It would be difficult to care less about running something other than Safari on an iPhone. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s produ…
>Nobody is forcing anyone to buy Apple’s products
Nobody is forcing you to use any third party browser or app store of anything else.
Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals
#540Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just like Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8/Chromium from a total monopoly, the App Store monopoly is the only thing holding back "use Meta omni-permission store or get cut off from FB/IG/WhatsApp". And then Meta getting most companies to use their store because they'll take 10% and just the data.
Permissions can be baked into OS. No matter how the app is installed you'll get same popups confirming them. Though it should be also applicable to Apple apps.
It not “can be”, it is baked into ios, almost everything runs in a proper sandbox, including apple’s own apps. (iMessage doesn’t have complete isolation though, due to it being special regarding SMS - that’s why many attacks target it specifically).