New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

Post by the_gipsy » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 1:36 PM UTC

ta1243 wrote: post #87

sokoloff wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intent and reasonably foreseeable outcomes probably matters here. If that company in Belgium advertises worldwide and somehow hires many people who live in New York, you bet NY will argue (successfully) that they have to follow this law, at least prospectively, as it affects residents of their state and the DoL has jurisdiction over protecting the labor rights of its residents.

I wonder if they'll also be agreeing to enforce the GDPR because New York companies sell services to Belgium citizens

Post by the_gipsy » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 1:37 PM UTC

hiatus wrote: post #86

the_gipsy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they hire employees that reside in NY they have to make ranges public in the offer.

The article seems to contradict your statement. > The law, signed by Gov. Kathy Hochul in 2022, also will apply to remote employees who work outside of New York but report to a supervisor, office or worksite based in the state.

Post by bandrami » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 1:38 PM UTC

altdataseller wrote: post #53

prepend wrote: post #27

I think it’s better than nothing, but ultimately not helpful for job seekers working to learn how much a position will pay them. I work in a very regulated organization where all pay rates are published with postings. [0] But the ranges are $20-40k for each grade and it’s hard to tell what you will end up being offered and accepted. I think it helps prevent some mismatches of people confusing $20k and $200k positions…

I have asked some HR people this question about ranges, and most of them tell me they expect to pay the midpoint of the range. That is, if you meet the qualifications, they’ll offer you the midpoint. However if you blow them away or got some competing offers, they will offer you the high end. And if you got very little experience, the low end. That’s the rule of thumb. It doesn’t matter if the range is as wide as 80k…

Post by bandrami » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 1:39 PM UTC

version_five wrote: post #51

prepend wrote: post #27

I think it’s better than nothing, but ultimately not helpful for job seekers working to learn how much a position will pay them. I work in a very regulated organization where all pay rates are published with postings. [0] But the ranges are $20-40k for each grade and it’s hard to tell what you will end up being offered and accepted. I think it helps prevent some mismatches of people confusing $20k and $200k positions…

The big ranges is a logical consequence of such stupid rules. People are not commodities, and only in the most trivial of work can you a priori know what an individual brings to it. It's typical government thinking that makes no sense in the real world. So employers are stuck publishing an absurdly wide band that reflects the difference in what different people might bring to the position. This is effectively populis…

Post by jLaForest » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 1:40 PM UTC

HumblyTossed wrote: post #102

> “We have small employers who don’t even know about the law,” said Kerbein, who predicted there would be “a lot of unintentional noncompliance.” Fair. But that's not how laws work. I may turn down a road not knowing that it's 35 and I get a ticket for going 45. Not knowing isn't an excuse.