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New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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wth, I didn't know people read elpais.com outside Spain

Sorry but why ? Should those only living in the US read the New York Times ?

Agreed that the original comment did not add to the discourse but this response does come across as a bit harsh.

Is elpais like a national major? Is it similar to seeing an article from lemonde on HN?

Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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Good. Hiding income only works for the company to exploit their workers.

Agree, but it's not just about exploitation. Many people are weird about money and honesty around their skillset. I think it would be a good change, but I'm not sure the majority of people would like working like a pro sports team. In pro sports you know what everyone makes and relative skillsets are ranked and on display.

Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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My query with this sort of thing is always that will this do any more than remove the low and high end people for roles in companies, and maybe the people who want the highs will go to somewhere where they can be paid with more variability.

High and low end people don't have to be hired for the advertised position. I believe the company can still say "yeah, you're not this level, but we're interested in you for position X instead" which may be outside of the advertised range.

Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but why ? Should those only living in the US read the New York Times ?

Agreed that the original comment did not add to the discourse but this response does come across as a bit harsh. Is elpais like a national major? Is it similar to seeing an article from lemonde on HN?

Yeah no fair enough, I guess it's just an odd statement really. It's a Spanish language News outlet though, and given the amount of countries that speak Spanish natively just seemed an out of place comment.

Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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I have never worked in a job where you can give a reasonable pay band and routinely made 1.5-3x what other people with the same title did, before bonuses. This really only works for well-defined jobs in production, retail, and seems to bring little utility for the HN crowd.

The same work should bring the same payment, period. Everything else just ends up rewarding those with the best "negotiation" skill which is completely unrelated to one's actually work-relevant skills.

Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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We just post the actual compensation, not a range, and we stick to it.

It’s worked pretty well, you discuss it in the first steps of the process to make sure they get that’s actually how it’s going to work and then you spend your time interviewing people who are OK with the comp.

If the candidate pool isn’t any good then change the comp. And sure if you want to recruit a hotshot candidate or something nothing is stopping you from taking an individualized approach with that person.

I think people tend to overestimate their ability to game the process. Why not just say what you want.

Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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I have never worked in a job where you can give a reasonable pay band and routinely made 1.5-3x what other people with the same title did, before bonuses. This really only works for well-defined jobs in production, retail, and seems to bring little utility for the HN crowd.

It's definitely possible with RSUs and refreshers. But it's more comparable to your Neighbor with a much lower mortgage payment because they bought several years ago and the asset appreciated.

Re: New York employers must include pay rates in job ads under new state law

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Good. Hiding income only works for the company to exploit their workers.

Does this not remove the ability for individuals to negotiate up past a certain point?

This is hiring salary only, so it removes some negotiation there, but other benefits and future raises can still be negotiated for.

Also, I'm not sure what happens if they offer more than that to someone after posting the offer. I suspect offering lower would be would be lawsuit time... But I don't think a higher offer is that much of a problem.

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