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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Cyphase »

muppetman wrote: post #450
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

You know you're only getting half the security updates though, yea? The Android ones you're getting, but anything in the baseband/modem/low-level hardware you're not. Don't get me wrong, I think Lineage is great and I use it too, but I think too many people are fooling themselves on how much extra security they're getting using it. LineageOS will be using the exact same baseband that came with Android 9 on hardware t…

I had to read your comment extra carefully to realize that you weren't saying LineageOS is _behind_ on updates for the baseband/etc., but rather that it only extends availability of Android updates, not baseband updates, due to the baseband being proprietary and updates no longer being released by the OEM.

In other words, LineageOS provides the latest Android and baseband updates available; it's just that for the baseband, "latest" can be a lot older than for Android, if your phone hardware is no longer supported by the OEM.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by BytesAndGears »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #452

For mass market I feel 'free' will always win. With that in mind I wonder if Kagi would be worth having ads for a free version but be super clear what the ads are based on. E.g purely based on 1) search KW and 2) IP location of the search. Nothing more and nothing additional stored. I wonder if privacy minded people would be happy with that as it's very limited data in today's ad world, a massive improvement on anyth…

It goes against their core principle though, of ensuring that their users are their customers, not the product.

If advertisers become their customers, then the incentives might start to break just a little at a time. As long as you’re the (only) one paying them, you’re the customer. It’s a big part of why I trust them so much.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by wpm »

tekknik wrote: post #443
james2doyle wrote: post #77

I like the statement they made on their jobs page: Core Front-end Team Passion for creating delightful and swift user interfaces. Proficiency in HTML, CSS, and _an understanding that JavaScript can be used sparingly to enhance, not create, product experiences._ Ability to prototype rapidly. Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where *all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps)…

> Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps) work perfectly without JavaScript . We see JavaScript as a tool to enhance the UX, not create it. This doesn’t matter to me at all. When will people quit trying to hold the web back for their own self served interests? If supporting Kagi means supporting this idea that javascript should di…

If the future of the web is a trend towards more and more overcomplicated, buggy JS garbage, I’m quite happy to hold it back.

If you think my opinion wasn’t born out of experience with the supposed future of the web, but rather some unjustified bias against the language or something, I dunno what to tell you.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by gridlocdev »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #370
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

>It feels really nice using products that respect me, as opposed to services that are actively hostile because of advertisers. Hot take, but IMO Windows has far more respect for the user than Linux does. Everything is far more QA'd (and designed to be QA-able) and at least tries to minimise user frustration. There are exceptions to this, like "suggestions" in the Start menu, but outside of this it's designed in a use…

Maybe 5-10 years ago, but today’s Linux desktop has evolved to be much more user friendly and stable. Applications have a standard containerized format (Flatpak), the most popular distributions ship a software store to update your apps and system with one click, and the stability of things has improved to a point where (in my experience) things almost never break unless you’re running the absolute bleeding-edge latest-gen hardware. I would highly recommend giving it a shot if you haven’t at least tried it as a daily driver before. (To get started, just look up a tutorial for how to dual-boot with Windows or play around with it in a Virtual Machine)

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by replwoacause »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #370
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

>It feels really nice using products that respect me, as opposed to services that are actively hostile because of advertisers. Hot take, but IMO Windows has far more respect for the user than Linux does. Everything is far more QA'd (and designed to be QA-able) and at least tries to minimise user frustration. There are exceptions to this, like "suggestions" in the Start menu, but outside of this it's designed in a use…

This is an extraordinarily uninformed take

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by stelonix »

resonious wrote: post #346

This is pretty cool. I tried Kagi once and liked it, but ran out of my monthly search allowance within a few days. Apparently I make 20x more searches than the average user... So even if I paid, I wouldn't have enough. And I don't like the idea that I'm paying for every web search. It'd add a weird friction that I think would inhibit my flow. Admittedly $10 still seems kinda steep for something I get for free already…

I read somewhere Google makes $350 per year off each user. Divided by 12 months that's a bit less than $30. In a way, you're paying $20 less than you would by using Google, while keeping your privacy etc. Seems great when you take into account the fact with Google you're the product.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by dbrueck »

carlosjobim wrote: post #386
arp242 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, exactly. I looked at Kagi last week (first time I had heard of it), when the $10/month plan was "only" 1,000 searches a month and "unlimited" was $25. While I think that I'll probably stay well within 1,000 searches, I'm also not sure, and it's just not something I want to have to worry about (it's ~33/day on average and I doubt I'll ever hit it, but still...) One of the reasons I decided to skip Kagi for now.

Well you should worry! I've heard that when people pass their search limit, the Kagi team shows up with big pick-up trucks to their front yard and start screaming insults, waking neighbours. But seriously, I've seen this comment so many times now, that I'm curious: What is it that you worry about exactly?

I didn't post that comment, but I'd suggest it's not necessarily a rational worry at all. It's just human nature that if you tell somebody that something can run out, then some part of their brain will worry about it running out. :)

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by yunwal »

n42 wrote: post #360
kunwon1 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm doing the same thing, but specifically for reviews/recommendations. I can't remember the last time I had even an inkling of trust for a review published on a website. Reddit is basically the only source I have for potentially trustworthy opinions about products

IMO, this is no longer the case. Basically any new thread is getting astroturfed by marketing teams, and it seems like Reddit started doing SEO to promote newer threads, so the days of reliable reddit reviews seem to be over

Subreddits that are about buying things (/r/buyitforlife, /r/frugalmalefashion) are done. Same with any askreddit thread that's like "What's a product for under $x that changed your life" or something like that.

I still find /r/cooking gives good recommendations, despite the fact that the world of recipes is filled with spam and low quality content. Maybe the unit economics of astroturfing just don't work out for it.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by claytongulick »

freediver wrote: post #303
pierat wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s not that Kagi is better at search, it’s that Kagi is cleaner and more efficient. It doesn’t do bullshit dark patterns, reward SEO, track the shit out of you, or hide valuable tools. Yet. Google did the same originally. Super clean, just delivered whatever was searched for; no more, no less. When Kagi gets a taste of how much money is available for tracking and profiling users. and theyll start small. And since…

Kagi founder here. You have my assurance this will not happen. Life is too short and I am not spending 10 years of my life building yet another ad-based search engine.

My biggest question - and the one that will drive me to subscribe right now is how "harmful" "misinformation" and "malinformation" is treated today, and how it will be in the future.

I Do Not Want anything or anyone deciding what is good for me, what I should be seeing, or making it difficult for me to find things I'm searching for, regardless of the content.

A search engine should be like the phone company - providing a pipe to content and allowing me to decide what I want to see / block.

If I want to search for Nazi propaganda because I want to understand why people believe the things they do - I don't want the safety rails. I want the most raw, worst of it. I'm an adult with critical thinking skills, I don't need to be directed to the "safe" content.

Or covid vaccines.

Or anything.

If kagi has guarantees around this, your paying user base will be +1 tonight.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by flagrant_taco »

dylan604 wrote: post #410
kelnos wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's complicated. I go to Vegas and gamble sometimes, which is not all that different. I don't gamble because I expect to win money; I gamble because the experience (especially with more social games like craps) is fun to me, even when I lose. Certainly it's not fun to everyone, but roller coasters aren't fun to everyone either, and that's fine. If you only gamble or play the lottery because you genuinely think you h…

Look at the numbers of the people playing lotto/scratch-offs. Look at where they are being sold. These are targeted at a specific group of people. You can try to whitewash it all you want, but it only makes you look naive. Especially that last sentence of yours. I'm really struggling to not get banned for commenting to this, but I'd suggest taking some rose tinted glasses off and taking a real look at this issue.

Can you help me understand how this is whitewashing exactly? I guess you could invent a term like poor-washing, but where did race come into this?
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