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Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by tekknik »

pentae wrote: post #429
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

I would love to use Nebula but it seems to lean quite politically in one direction (as I suspect from a Canadian platform) which seems like something I don't want to support with my dollars. At least on YouTube I can find a diverse range of opinions

Thanks, they’ve likely got another customer now. Freedom of speech is worth protecting.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bee_rider wrote: post #425
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can the search result quality be quantified somehow? Encourage you to try it. I've repeated Scott Galloway's mantra that advertisement is a tax on America's poor and stupid. But I never quite clocked the cost of search ads. It might be solely due to that lack of scrolling through crud that makes Kagi seem much, much faster than Google or DuckDuckGo.

Advertising has always felt zero-sum to me. Like, I already want shoes, the ad isn’t going to wear holes in the soles of my old ones, the holes are there already, so the ad will just push me one way or another. So, I guess it is not just a tax on the poor and stupid. Everyone has to pay, company A buys ads, company B burns an equally large pile of money to cancel it out, and we’re just back where we started.

> Advertising has always felt zero-sum to me

Your attention is valuable. Your data, your preferences, your identity--these are valuable. (They may be the only thing about humans that, economically, is.)

When you see an ad, your brain deploys coping mechanisms [1]. The tax isn't paid with money, but with time and neurology.

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/363287602_Coping_wi...

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by tekknik »

james2doyle wrote: post #77

I like the statement they made on their jobs page: Core Front-end Team Passion for creating delightful and swift user interfaces. Proficiency in HTML, CSS, and _an understanding that JavaScript can be used sparingly to enhance, not create, product experiences._ Ability to prototype rapidly. Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where *all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps)…

> Fun fact: At Kagi, we prioritize speed, to the point where all functionalities of Kagi Search (except Stripe checkout and Maps) work perfectly without JavaScript. We see JavaScript as a tool to enhance the UX, not create it.

This doesn’t matter to me at all. When will people quit trying to hold the web back for their own self served interests?

If supporting Kagi means supporting this idea that javascript should die, I doubt I’ll sign up.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Kye »

542458 wrote: post #399
switch007 wrote: post #392

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Is this satire?? Respect for the user… While it forces a reboot While it tries to trick you in to upgrading to 11 While it sends huge amounts of telemetry to Microsoft When it forces you to sign up for an non-local account When it use dark patterns to get you to use Edge and upgrade to Windows 10 When it forces updates on Home users …

I agree with most everything else you’ve said, but I feel like I’m using a different windows than everyone else when they talk about “forced reboots”. This never happens to me! I’ve seen prompts, but they were always able to be delayed. Is it something that only kicks in if you go ages without manually rebooting? At a certain point though, I’d say forcing users to install critical security updates is the user-centere…

People forget the security hell that preceded Microsoft's obsession with updates. You get half the internet's bandwidth used by a worm or you get forced updates. I haven't seen anyone propose a viable compromise.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by audiodude »

oaktowner wrote: post #281
dylan604 wrote: post #96

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Isn't that the same thing said about Lotto/scratch-offs/etc?

A good friend once described the lottery as "a tax on people with bad math skills" and I don't think I've played since.

I don't love the lottery or scratch offs, though I don't mind playing occasionally.

But what I can't stand is the self perceived moral superiority of people who are like "haha, lottery is for idiots!"

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by mewse »

pierat wrote: post #396
selcuka wrote: post #333

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I trust you will not, but what about after you exit? Anyway, you or someone else will probably start a new search engine, and we will start again. It's best to enjoy it until that happens.

I believe the founder, freediver. In the case of Radio Shack, they too made a promise never to sell or give the data to other entities. The CEO even fought for that in bankruptcy court. The judge deemed that the user data was worth a significant sum, and the judge screwed everyone over for the debtors. Once you capture the data, it's a toxic but valuable asset. And there's always someone willing to go to any end and…

Since you're bringing up "capturing the data", it's worth pointing at Kagi's privacy policy, the very first point of which is this:

> * Searches are anonymous and private to you. Kagi does not log and associate searches with an account.

https://kagi.com/privacy

Additionally the search page itself displays this notice:

> Your searches are always private. We do not see them and they are not associated with your account

The "captured" user data you seem to be concerned about doesn't appear to actually exist in this case; the data is quite explicitly not being captured.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Gustomaximus »

Grimburger wrote: post #413
viraptor wrote: post #74

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In my experience it's not that there's better quality results found, but rather low quality results are skipped. There's a lot filtered by default + it's easy to click "block this domain" when you run into yet another stackoverflow copy. It means that when you're searching for code related things, you often get small relevant blogs in position 3+ rather than SEO spam. For example searching for "current time on JavaSc…

> it's easy to click "block this domain" Friendly reminder that google had this feature a decade ago then removed it. Hopefully someone in the C-Suite got a few back pats for that decision. https://searchengineland.com/google-brings-back-blocking-sit...

This seems the most obvious value add feature for search results at both an individual level and for reviewing overall moderation.

I wonder what possible logic there could be to not allow it? The only one I can think of is they don't want bridgading to create a wider system block but that seems easily enough to resolve.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by magic_hamster »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #370
BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

>It feels really nice using products that respect me, as opposed to services that are actively hostile because of advertisers. Hot take, but IMO Windows has far more respect for the user than Linux does. Everything is far more QA'd (and designed to be QA-able) and at least tries to minimise user frustration. There are exceptions to this, like "suggestions" in the Start menu, but outside of this it's designed in a use…

> (Desktop) Linux, on the other hand, seems to be more of an intellectual experiment designed to please the people who are writing it rather than a consumer-focused product

Honestly can't tell if you're joking, but I guess yes. Linux is the most stable OS I've ever used. There's a reason most mission critical and online services that require constant uptime run almost exclusively on Linux.

Windows used to have a nice GUI attached to a mostly unstable system. That was 20 years ago. Now Windows feels like a predatory product that's borderline unusable.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by Gustomaximus »

whs wrote: post #407
carlosjobim wrote: post #356

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SEO also has the purpose to rank your website high so that you can sell your products. A huge part of the internet has nothing to do with ads, but businesses selling their products and services

I think if they want to sell to me and ads&trackers harm their SEO, it'd at least make the internet a little bit more private. That or it'll be a cat and mouse chase like cname cloaking/proxying rendering those harder to statically detect.

True for you, but there are billions of people out there and your attitude is a tiny minority for what they would lose elsewhere.

Re: Unlimited Kagi searches for $10 per month

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Post by muppetman »

BoppreH wrote: post #153

Three years ago, I migrated from Gmail to FastMail because I was afraid of losing access to my digital life on Google's whim. Two years ago, I found out that my favorite Youtube creators were all on Nebula. One year ago, I switched my phone to LineageOS to get security updates a little longer. A month ago, I installed OpenStreetMaps because Google Maps got really bad at showing points-of-interest. And today, Kagi rem…

You know you're only getting half the security updates though, yea? The Android ones you're getting, but anything in the baseband/modem/low-level hardware you're not.

Don't get me wrong, I think Lineage is great and I use it too, but I think too many people are fooling themselves on how much extra security they're getting using it.

LineageOS will be using the exact same baseband that came with Android 9 on hardware they're deploying Android 12 to, if the phone's actual support stopped at 9. Yes with the new "Play System Updates" there's better security coverage, but it's still a gap compared to supported hardware.

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