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Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

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Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

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> The European Union’s Digital Markets Act (DMA) is a huge step in that direction - regulation that mandates that if the large centralised messaging providers are to operate in the EU, they must interoperate.

Wow. Not interested in winning the war this way.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#32

Regular reminder Matrix/Element work closely with law-enforcement to provide encrypted comms for them. It's a sector Matrix/Element actively markets to and deals with. My personal view is I'm not using a chat platform designed/developed by an organization so eager to partner with governments and law enforcement agencies. There's Element's Chief Product Officer & Managing Director presenting at the European Police Con…

I don't really see the problem here, I would prefer my local government use open standards that are secure. If they are weakening the crypto to help the police and government come after me then I would have a problem.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

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post #18

It's quite disappointing that there's huge ongoing work around reinventing clients from scratch where the basic functionality of not ringing all my devices while I'm using only one of them [1] is still not there (bug open for years), despite it being a pretty simple fix. [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/360

The team rewriting Element as Element X is completely different to the folks who would need to make the change in Synapse to not send push to devices who are currently syncing. Agreed we should have fixed this years ago, especially as it's actually a feature in our pre-Matrix system back in 2012. There's basically a blindspot on long-lived missing serverside features like this; i've added it to a new hitlist we're experimenting with for trying to clear these up.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#34
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Element is to matrix what chrome is to http. The most used client for that protocol.

Element is the trading name of a company, of three clients with mostly-independent codebases written by that company (web, android, iOS; not counting the two Element X rewrites), and of a hosting service (EMS).

Yes New Vector Ltd

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#35
I love matrix - I've been running a Synapse homeserver for over 2 years now for friends and family. We love it. Despite minor problems (upgrading postgres for example) it has been smooth sailing. I really want to stay up to date but they don't make it easy! I'd love to add sliding-sync to my existing docker stack, but I feel like I'm in way over my head!

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#36
post #18

It's quite disappointing that there's huge ongoing work around reinventing clients from scratch where the basic functionality of not ringing all my devices while I'm using only one of them [1] is still not there (bug open for years), despite it being a pretty simple fix. [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/360

There are quite a few issues that they've stopped fixing in the Element app in favor of doing it in Element X, the one I've been following is where the iOS app causes a breakage in E2EE when you use the share extension, so they just disabled the share extension entirely and said they'd fix in X - https://github.com/vector-im/element-ios/issues/7618

But X requires Sliding Sync on the server, which is still a separate service to run alongside the homeserver and doesn't have a stable API. I am increasingly disappointed with how centralized Matrix is becoming, since AFAIK there isn't really an alternate client close to the same level of quality as Element.

I probably would've made all of the same decisions myself though, so I don't blame them I'm just a bit disappointed in how it's shaking out.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#37

Regular reminder Matrix/Element work closely with law-enforcement to provide encrypted comms for them. It's a sector Matrix/Element actively markets to and deals with. My personal view is I'm not using a chat platform designed/developed by an organization so eager to partner with governments and law enforcement agencies. There's Element's Chief Product Officer & Managing Director presenting at the European Police Con…

Really strange Point of View. Governments adopting open standards rather then paying money to US tech companies is a good thing.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

#38

Is Matrix simple enough now that I can invite my grandpa/grandma and they will be able to join? How does ease up sign up and use compare to discord? Assume that I make the choice of which client to direct them to.

My octogenarian mother uses it.

Did she set it up herself?

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

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post #36
post #18

It's quite disappointing that there's huge ongoing work around reinventing clients from scratch where the basic functionality of not ringing all my devices while I'm using only one of them [1] is still not there (bug open for years), despite it being a pretty simple fix. [1] https://github.com/vector-im/element-meta/issues/360

There are quite a few issues that they've stopped fixing in the Element app in favor of doing it in Element X, the one I've been following is where the iOS app causes a breakage in E2EE when you use the share extension, so they just disabled the share extension entirely and said they'd fix in X - https://github.com/vector-im/element-ios/issues/7618 But X requires Sliding Sync on the server, which is still a separate…

You just can't have the newest fancy client without also having the new fancy server. That seem to make sense to me.

Re: Matrix 2.0: The Future of Matrix

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post #15

Thoughts on how this will get us towards when libre software privacy&security type people are ready to advise friends to move to Matrix for personal communication? (To be clear, the platform has to be all open source and open standards, actually decentralized, guided by those principles -- not an effectively proprietary play even if nominally open. For example, you should be able to get all the same functionality wit…

Matrix 2.0 is a major step towards getting friends & family on Matrix. Firstly, it's not introducing new features - it's just making the current featureset work super-efficiently (while retaining compatibility with today's Matrix). So there should be no fragmentation between Element/Fluffychat/Thunderbird, with the possible exception of the new scalable encrypted VoIP conferencing (but then very few Matrix clients im…

Thank you for the comments. I'll keep my fingers crossed that this plays out well.

> plus you can always just embed an Element Call instance

That sounds like potentially a commercial embrace&extend&extinguish situation, which we need to avoid.

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