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@dang - Why is this article flagged?
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there is maybe one more aspect here: i see "overpowering" as a metaphor not meant to be taken literally. i mean how would that even work? i see only one way to get rid of a competitive mindset: to teach children to be cooperative. the "overpowering" aspect would simply be that more people do that than people who teach their children to be competitive, and that women convince their husbands that teaching children to b…
I see even a metaphor of “overpowering”, “strength in numbers” as deeply problematic because it is indicative of paradigm and world view. This goes beyond signaling and messaging. It’s difficult to be aware of one’s own paradigm, let alone to change it. It’s not as if I have a good solution to this. If I did, I would be writing about it. So far, the person who seems to be able to articulate and implement this I have…
i am seriously interested, because i am more interested in achieving the desired result, not how we get there (unless there is a problem with the approach, like you seem to see here, so i would like to explore alternatives)
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> Maybe don't stick your head in the sand the moment someone says "toxic masculinity". It means something which hurts men, too. The left however tends to shun the fact that a lot of the toxic masculinity comes from women and their expectations on men and boys. There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it, and the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating to…
This comment seems right on. Women calling men under 6ft children on social media. Lesbians shaming men for being short or weaker than them. Of course the gate is rising
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove though. It seems like whataboutism
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Yeah. Wage stagnation, gender roles which become increasingly impossible to meet in the modern world, the price of property, commuter town hell, social alienation, lack of third places, even toxic masculinity, all of these are conversations about things that hurt men. And with gender roles expected of men, to be economically successful, to look a certain way and wear certain things and have certain kinds of jobs and…
> Maybe don't stick your head in the sand the moment someone says "toxic masculinity". It means something which hurts men, too. The left however tends to shun the fact that a lot of the toxic masculinity comes from women and their expectations on men and boys. There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it, and the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating to…
This just isn't true. The fact that men AND women are taught this "manly man" crap by both their mothers and fathers is commonly discussed. It's often reported that women don't self reflect but follow any prominent feminist and you'll hear them talking about this often.
> There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it
This is both false and a poor human excuse for bad behavior. You can have better conversations. You can model better behavior. You can call out misogyny. It's fun or comfortable or do but it's with your control. Don't push all the hard work to others. Do it yourself. (I do. It's not fun but it's important.)
> the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating toxic masculinity, at least I've never seen them talk about it as a problem that needs fixing.
Be honest with yourself. Where are you looking? Articles like this that make it seem like we should over index on self inflicted wounds or aces where women talk about the difficulties they face because of heavily patriarchal society?
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Can we have an example of toxic masculinity? I've never once received a real definition in a debate like this and when I'm close to it, the other side tries to make it sound like they are sympathetic to toxic masculinity. For example, I've had it told to me that I shouldnt have my son help me with changing my car's oil because thats putting some sort of burden on him at an early age. Does this sound like something a…
Extreme "pranks"? Hazing culture? Omerta? Gang culture? Wolf of Wall Street / Boiler Room culture?The thin blue line? Church scandals? Basically every domestic terrorist group in history? Four common patterns * Recruitment techniques based around achieving worth by emulating some "alpha" male, usually physical and financial, sometimes spiritual * Approval associated with risk taking behavior. Binge drinking, criminal…
This line is complete trash: "recruiting him to do something he has no interest in doing otherwise". This is probably the greatest example of the lefts insanity nowadays. How do you know he isn't interested? You know nothing about my family but you assume and then push for policy using said assumptions. And you try to absolve yourself from criticism by saying "I'm just overanalyzing"!
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Can we have an example of toxic masculinity? I've never once received a real definition in a debate like this and when I'm close to it, the other side tries to make it sound like they are sympathetic to toxic masculinity. For example, I've had it told to me that I shouldnt have my son help me with changing my car's oil because thats putting some sort of burden on him at an early age. Does this sound like something a…
Also, that is not something a sane person would say, no. Having children help with chores is a key part of parenting, regardless of gender.
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That's just the crass version of the actually good advice that goes as follows: Don't react to your emotions, instead notice your emotions wash over you, identify the why and respond rationally instead of emotionally to the why. It's basically good advice given in the worst possible way with deceptive context
Why is that good advice? If my father dies, why is it bad to be sad about it? Why is it wrong to cry when I’m sad? I think you’re completely off base in trying to make “respond rationally and with no emotion, ever” a universal rule, especially with regards to interacting with other people. It’s weird and robotic.
I did not say don't be sad. I sad don't react emotionally, instead understand the emotion you are feeling, identify the why and respond rationally to the why. It's not bad to be sad, it's bad to allow the sadness to force you into a stupid reaction. In your example the actual good advice dictates it's fine to cry, but don't let your sadness dictate doing something stupid like drinking too much, getting behind the wheel and getting a dui or worse.
In my reply I acknowledged that someone saying what the op posted was almost always trying to communicate what I have said above and failing at it.
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Why is everyone in this thread falling over themselves and starting every response with "as a liberal" or something similar? People are so afraid of talking openly about how insane the left has become that they don't see how their very responses are indicative of how the left will try to harm them in some way e.g. "how insane the left has become". Sure 20 years ago the sides were reversed but now the hypocrisy is mos…
It looks like you only interact with NY to badmouth about left.
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“Why are you crying?!? Real men don’t cry!”
Exactly this. But even worse, this is frequently not said aloud. It is implicit in all of our interactions. Express too much emotion outside of certain narrow contexts, and other people (men and women alike) will look at you like you are a wimp. Nobody has to say a word.