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Open Source businesses have no future as Open Source businesses if they aren't using Open Source licences. What I find odd in these situations, that have happened multiple times now, is the companies go straight from "weak" licenses like the MPL, straight to "source available" ones. Surely it would have been a good idea to try a strong copyleft licence like AGPL first.
AGPL is seen as a no-go by most companies. It's viewed as risky because the obligations associated with it are often unclear.
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#182This is too woke for the UK government. Terraform is widely used in the Home Office, I don't think Suella Braverman will approve a switch... (Reference for non-UK viewers: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2022/oct/18/suell... )
I mean. Whatever else, but you have to give her props for inventing the word "wokerati". That word sounds so ridiculous that it might become cool again.
Perjorative labels aren't what they used to be, people are happy to be labelled most of the time, so yes, maybe it'll be cool to be a, erm, "wokerat"?
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#183The pricing "strategy," the culture of secrecy, subpar commercial and marketing practices, and the company's inability to formulate a successful cloud and monetization strategy are all squarely the responsibility of HashiCorp's CEO. Merely changing the licensing approach will not resolve the current issues. There is an urgent need for a change in leadership, a more robust embrace of the community, and the addressing of the issue of lazy employees. HashiCorp should also return to its core principles, possibly trimming down its focus areas (Integrity, Kindness, Pragmatism, Humility, Vision, Execution, Communication, etc.).
Terraform had the greatest potential for monetization within HashiCorp, but this required innovation and effort. They possessed all the necessary tools, brand recognition, and community support, but instead chose to impede competition, failing to realize that they were harming themselves in the process.
OpenTofu has the potential to genuinely enhance Terraform, as changes will be viewed not as aiding competitors but as a shared initiative aimed at improving the entire community and sharing the benefits.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think at this point we exhausted arguments on both sides of the debate. I think that agreeing to disagree and moving on is a better alternative to competing on ad hominems.
It's easy to say that when it is not your work others are making money on Just "moving on" is like putting your head in the sand to avoid difficult conversations about financially sustainable open source (which requires an amount of unopen-source if we're going to be honest with ourselves). Donations and charity don't put food on the table for those building the projects. We have not figured this out as a society, so…
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#185I believe Dave McJannet, HashiCorp's CEO, should be concerned. OpenTofu has garnered massive support, with the project gaining admission to the Linux Foundation and even receiving public support from companies like Allianz. Within HashiCorp, the CEO has fostered a toxic culture characterized by a large workforce that strives to do as little as possible, relying solely on the dedication of a few committed employees, m…
That is a serious accusation. What backup do you have for this statement?
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#186I believe Dave McJannet, HashiCorp's CEO, should be concerned. OpenTofu has garnered massive support, with the project gaining admission to the Linux Foundation and even receiving public support from companies like Allianz. Within HashiCorp, the CEO has fostered a toxic culture characterized by a large workforce that strives to do as little as possible, relying solely on the dedication of a few committed employees, m…
I don't know. It feels like this support comes from the vocal minority and competitors.
I'll believe such a statement when more big multinational companies show support. Right now, I don't believe there is as much support as is currently made out.
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#187What are OpenTofu's plans around CDKTF? Will that only work with HashiCorp TF going forward? Or will that be forked as well? Terraform is a better foundational layer than CloudFormation, but CDK is by far the better level of abstraction, I believe. AWS CDK is decent, but it is of course limited to AWS. CDKTF was one of the more interesting initiatives in this space.
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#188Hey! Interim tech lead of OpenTofu here. I'd like to add that as of today (announced just now at OSS Bilbao) we're officially part of the Linux Foundation[0]! Hope you like the new name (it basically won the votes anywhere it was proposed) and happy to answer any questions! [0]: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/announcing-opentofu
Have you considered terrafork?
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Care to explain why?
Tofu has an ancient reputation as a vegetarian replacement for meat. Its taste depends on the preparation (raw Tofu is very flexible). Some people associate it positively ('ethical', 'wholesome', 'tasty'), others do not ('not the real thing', 'tasteless').
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Open Source businesses have no future as Open Source businesses if they aren't using Open Source licences. What I find odd in these situations, that have happened multiple times now, is the companies go straight from "weak" licenses like the MPL, straight to "source available" ones. Surely it would have been a good idea to try a strong copyleft licence like AGPL first.
AGPL is seen as a no-go by most companies. It's viewed as risky because the obligations associated with it are often unclear.
It's a win/win/win, open source projects will still support it, so you don't get the backlash from the community, while those who just want to take will either pay or find a different project.
With BSL and similar, you end up looking like the "bad guy", and the forkers look like the "good guys". With AGPL you will still look like the open source "good guy", and if someone makes a fork they look like money grabbing assholes.