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OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by RobotToaster »

echelon wrote: post #57
notpushkin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the way, are there any plans for taking on other HashiCorp products as well? (Packer and Nomad are of particular interest to me :-)

The dismantling of HashiCorp because they tried to save themselves from Amazon swallowing them is sad. Open Source businesses have no future in a world where big tech can gulp your product for free. The OpenTofu folks will probably even raise capital to support commercialization of their thing at some point.

Open Source businesses have no future as Open Source businesses if they aren't using Open Source licences.

What I find odd in these situations, that have happened multiple times now, is the companies go straight from "weak" licenses like the MPL, straight to "source available" ones. Surely it would have been a good idea to try a strong copyleft licence like AGPL first.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by Mashimo »

po9 wrote: post #70
Mashimo wrote: post #67

The link and github does not tell much what OpenTofu is. So I opened the official website. Again very hard to find out what it actually is. Goals and why it was created, and a hundred times that it's a fork of another product. But still does not explain what it is or does. I had to open the website of what it was forked from.

Doesn't the heading say 'The open source infrastructure as code tool' on loading https://opentofu.org/ ?

True, I might have skimmed it. But even now that does not tell me much.

Best that I found was under Docs -> intro -> What is OpenTF?:

> OpenTF is an infrastructure as code tool that lets you define both cloud and on-prem resources in human-readable configuration files that you can version, reuse, and share. You can then use a consistent workflow to provision and manage all of your infrastructure throughout its lifecycle

That could have been on the frontpage somewhere. Or in the github description.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by yuppiepuppie »

notpushkin wrote: post #14
cube2222 wrote: post #10

Hey! Interim tech lead of OpenTofu here. I'd like to add that as of today (announced just now at OSS Bilbao) we're officially part of the Linux Foundation[0]! Hope you like the new name (it basically won the votes anywhere it was proposed) and happy to answer any questions! [0]: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/announcing-opentofu

Cute punny name, I like it. Congrats on joining the LF, and keep up the good work!

I read it as "Open-to-fu", which could be construed in another way :)

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by fishnchips »

bilalq wrote: post #93

What are OpenTofu's plans around CDKTF? Will that only work with HashiCorp TF going forward? Or will that be forked as well? Terraform is a better foundational layer than CloudFormation, but CDK is by far the better level of abstraction, I believe. AWS CDK is decent, but it is of course limited to AWS. CDKTF was one of the more interesting initiatives in this space.

Should work out of the box TBH, IIRC the CDK works as a preprocessor.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

rob74 wrote: post #64
notpushkin wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cute punny name, I like it. Congrats on joining the LF, and keep up the good work!

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I think that's the point, right? They'd prefer Terraform, they're setting for Tofu. They say as much in the readme. It's pretty clever.

Aside: tofu done right is great. Nobody treating it as a meat substitute is doing it right.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by hannes0 »

TofuLover wrote: post #105
rob74 wrote: post #64

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If your experience of tofu is only the above, I completely understand your distaste for it. But I think you owe it to yourself to try better tofu, and not as a meat alternative. Tofu on its own doesn't have much flavour, but that's the point, you need to marinate it. Google can give you some tips (squeeze the water out, then soak it in something delicious -- hell, soak it in meat juices!), but I highly recommend tryi…

Did you create a new account just for this comment? Love this energy! And, I agree, tofu is great.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by happyraul »

simbolit wrote: post #91
po9 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the heading say 'The open source infrastructure as code tool' on loading https://opentofu.org/ ?

Yeah, but what is 'infrastructure as code'? For anyone not already in the know, this phrase doesn't mean "managing and provisioning data centers through machine-readable definition files, rather than physical hardware configuration or interactive configuration tools." (quote from Wikipedia), it just means nothing at all.

For anyone not already in the know, "data centers" doesn't mean "building in which reside metal electronic machines that are connected by wires to other such machines all over the world, transmitting and receiving messages to one another" (quote by me), it just means nothing at all.

There's a base level of knowledge of terms that's assumed on this forum. Sometimes we are below that level, and sometimes we are above it. If you encounter "infrastructure as code" tomorrow, you will not react to it the same way, since now it's no longer devoid of meaning for you.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by fishnchips »

vr46 wrote: post #23

This is too woke for the UK government. Terraform is widely used in the Home Office, I don't think Suella Braverman will approve a switch... (Reference for non-UK viewers: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2022/oct/18/suell... )

BoJo legacy lives on!

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by Mashimo »

alkz wrote: post #107
simbolit wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but what is 'infrastructure as code'? For anyone not already in the know, this phrase doesn't mean "managing and provisioning data centers through machine-readable definition files, rather than physical hardware configuration or interactive configuration tools." (quote from Wikipedia), it just means nothing at all.

Yeah, but what is a 'computer'? For anyone not already in the know, this term doesn't mean "a machine that can be programmed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations (computation) automatically." (quote from Wikipedia), it just means nothing at all.

They already have a good description on the website, it's just hidden under Docs -> intro -> What is OpenTF?

And I don't get why it's hidden, but instead they tell the reader multiple times it's a fork of something else.

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