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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by makeitdouble »

yyyk wrote: post #43
roebk wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to explain why?

Tofu has an ancient reputation as a vegetarian replacement for meat. Its taste depends on the preparation (raw Tofu is very flexible). Some people associate it positively ('ethical', 'wholesome', 'tasty'), others do not ('not the real thing', 'tasteless').

In its original producing country it's often used as an expression of excessive softness ("tofu mental" for instance, for mental fragility). But it's also cute and inoffensive, I think it's a nice name overall.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by notpushkin »

echelon wrote: post #57
notpushkin wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By the way, are there any plans for taking on other HashiCorp products as well? (Packer and Nomad are of particular interest to me :-)

The dismantling of HashiCorp because they tried to save themselves from Amazon swallowing them is sad. Open Source businesses have no future in a world where big tech can gulp your product for free. The OpenTofu folks will probably even raise capital to support commercialization of their thing at some point.

HashiCorp could pull it off, but I think moving everything to BSL overnight is just way too aggressive. I also don't think it's Amazon they are afraid of, but rather the other “cloud Terraform” providers (who unsurprisingly are the ones behind the fork).

For my own project [1], I'm planning on keeping the basic edition open and maybe adding an enterprise edition later on under BSL – basically like MariaDB does. I think that's the most fair model you can do right now.

[1]: https://lunni.dev/, a Docker Swarm dashboard

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by verdverm »

Well, I guess this is more motivation to leave HCL and anything related to TF... tofu? Poor naming choice imho, searching is going to be a terrible time, wonder how confused the ChatGPTs will get?

I'm allergic to soy and derivatives like tofu, so not liking this name change

A CUE powered solution will be much better anyway, go straight to the APIs for definitions, no intermediate, yet still unique, (leaky) abstractions

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by rob74 »

notpushkin wrote: post #14
cube2222 wrote: post #10

Hey! Interim tech lead of OpenTofu here. I'd like to add that as of today (announced just now at OSS Bilbao) we're officially part of the Linux Foundation[0]! Hope you like the new name (it basically won the votes anywhere it was proposed) and happy to answer any questions! [0]: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/announcing-opentofu

Cute punny name, I like it. Congrats on joining the LF, and keep up the good work!

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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by Mashimo »

The link and github does not tell much what OpenTofu is. So I opened the official website. Again very hard to find out what it actually is. Goals and why it was created, and a hundred times that it's a fork of another product.

But still does not explain what it is or does.

I had to open the website of what it was forked from.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by danw1979 »

macca321 wrote: post #53

It'd be very interesting to know Hashi's internal strategy around this. - Maybe do nothing, and as long as OpenTofu doesn't attempt to extend Terraform they are in not that different a position than pre-MPL. - Add so many features OpenTofu can't keep up? - Add some sneaky code to latest versions of hashi providers which makes them not work with unofficial terraform binaries?

- You can imagine a situation where Tofu keeps TF DSL compatibility but add useful new features to the runtime (better plan summary, multiple stack deployment, chained deployments, etc). That’s going to put Hashicorp under pressure to move quicker..

- … but Hashicorp publicly pleaded poverty over their development resource on TF as the reason they wouldn’t accept community PRs. You can’t just grow a team tenfold overnight. They’ve been quite deliberate about the design of the Terraform language and runtime over the years, taking their time to add new features. It’s going to be interesting !

- The provider situation looks fairly safe to me. Those licenses didn’t change and you can always redirect to github releases for the really popular binaries ?

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by rob74 »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #66
rob74 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Not all tofu lacks texture or flavour. You have only tried the simplest version I guess.

I'm aware of smoked tofu at least, but still, if you order, let's say, an Indian dish with tofu instead of meat, you usually get the "basic" tofu version.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by po9 »

Mashimo wrote: post #67

The link and github does not tell much what OpenTofu is. So I opened the official website. Again very hard to find out what it actually is. Goals and why it was created, and a hundred times that it's a fork of another product. But still does not explain what it is or does. I had to open the website of what it was forked from.

Doesn't the heading say 'The open source infrastructure as code tool' on loading https://opentofu.org/ ?
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