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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by swores »

ceddiexd wrote: post #77
rob74 wrote: post #64

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Tofu is great, just misused as a meat alternative. The Chinese and Japanese don’t use it as a meat alternative (dishes like mapo tofu and agedashi tofu contain both meat/fish and tofu), they use it to provide textural support and contrast to rich, full-flavoured dishes. If the negative association you have is because of its use in organic kale tofu salads and the like, that’s not exactly tofu’s problem.

It's not tofu's fault, but it kind of is tofu's problem imo, since it seems to be a common view. Until a couple of years ago I had pretty much the same view as GP, that tofu was bland with an unpleasant texture and I couldn't imagine anyone eating it for pleasure - based on my experiences of how it was cooked/served by restaurants and friends here in England.

Eventually I tried a tofu dish while sharing plates with a couple of vegan friends at a Chinese restaurant and was amazed at how tasty it was, so I then spent the time to figure out how to cook it in such a way that I actually enjoy! It's not exactly close to being my favourite ingredient, but I do now eat it fairly often since it's healthy and tasty.

I think this experience - being put off tofu by the amount of people who make awful tofu dishes under the justification of it being healthy and vegan - is quite common, and it would be great if more people can discover ways they actually enjoy it.

(Side note, my #1 favourite way of preparing Tofu is roughly this recipe - I'm away from my desk and can't remember the tweaks I made, but they're not significant: https://frommybowl.com/crispy-tofu-recipe/ Bake it following that recipe, then it's ready to chuck into a salad, or stir fry, or some sort of sauce, or...)

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by hk__2 »

This name confuses me as I usually expect things named "OpenFoobar" to be open versions of "Foobar" (see: OpenJDK, OpenTTD), but here that’s not the case.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by lillecarl »

simbolit wrote: post #108
alkz wrote: post #107

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Yeah, but what is a 'computer'? For anyone not already in the know, this term doesn't mean "a machine that can be programmed to carry out sequences of arithmetic or logical operations (computation) automatically." (quote from Wikipedia), it just means nothing at all.

You funny. Edit: I don't want to sound dismissive, so let me explain the difference. Anyone coming to the website will be using a computer of some kind, and even if they for some weird reason don't, the verb "compute" does give a hint at what a computer might be. None of this is true for "infrastructure-as-code".

The target audience for a IaC project is probably people who know what IaC is. Or even people who know what "infrastructure" and "code" are, separately.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by georgyo »

emptysongglass wrote: post #87
echelon wrote: post #57

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The dismantling of HashiCorp because they tried to save themselves from Amazon swallowing them is sad. Open Source businesses have no future in a world where big tech can gulp your product for free. The OpenTofu folks will probably even raise capital to support commercialization of their thing at some point.

I generally like your takes but this one isn't very good since it wasn't Amazon that was the threat. HashiCorp couldn't compete. Their enterprise offerings were bad and their price quotes were insane and unrealistic. I worked at two companies who rejected them because their pricing was so ludicrous. The TACoS space of small startups nimbly out-competed these bad offerings. Rent-seeking because you weren't able to com…

This, so much this.

HashiCorp pricing just made it simply impossible to pay them.

Their plan was to provide a free offering that was very good, get companies hooked, and then charge our the nose for any enterprisy feature.

The problem was how they charged, which they don't reveal until after you contact sales. You could build a solution using the free offering that works very well. Then years later want something paid offerings and contact sales and find out that they charge over 1000USD per clients, and you have 1000 clients. Oops, guess I'm just going to engineer my own solution for that. 1 million a year buys a lot of development and operational.

It's really hard to go to management and say this open source thing we are running and serving the companies needs will now cost millions of dollars.

Though I understand HashiCorp position somewhat. I'm sure their sales team has repeatedly heard that a potential client has decided they don't need the feature they called about since the free solution is good enough and can engineer around any short commons.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by simbolit »

happyraul wrote: post #117
simbolit wrote: post #91

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Yeah, but what is 'infrastructure as code'? For anyone not already in the know, this phrase doesn't mean "managing and provisioning data centers through machine-readable definition files, rather than physical hardware configuration or interactive configuration tools." (quote from Wikipedia), it just means nothing at all.

For anyone not already in the know, "data centers" doesn't mean "building in which reside metal electronic machines that are connected by wires to other such machines all over the world, transmitting and receiving messages to one another" (quote by me), it just means nothing at all. There's a base level of knowledge of terms that's assumed on this forum. Sometimes we are below that level, and sometimes we are above i…

I am sorry, but your last sentence is basically "humans learn".

And, in case you missed it, no one here is asking what IAC is, most everyone in this forum knows, we are saying it's not super-transparent for a random visitor to their website and a better "what is this project about" page mentioning data centers a bit more and "we forked Terraform" a couple times less would be an improvement.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by simbolit »

lillecarl wrote: post #124
simbolit wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You funny. Edit: I don't want to sound dismissive, so let me explain the difference. Anyone coming to the website will be using a computer of some kind, and even if they for some weird reason don't, the verb "compute" does give a hint at what a computer might be. None of this is true for "infrastructure-as-code".

The target audience for a IaC project is probably people who know what IaC is. Or even people who know what "infrastructure" and "code" are, separately.

But a person who knows what "infrastructure" is likely thinks of roads and power lines and sewage pipes. A "data center", which is what "infrastructure" roughly means in this case, isn't exactly the prototypical example of "infrastructure", or is it?

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Post by asah »

rob74 wrote: post #64
notpushkin wrote: post #14

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Cute punny name, I like it. Congrats on joining the LF, and keep up the good work!

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1B+ asians eat tofu as a regular ingredient and not as a "meat alternative missing any kind of taste, smell or texture." In fact, not only are there DOZENS of kinds of tofu with wildly different textures and flavors, but even within a category, brands have big differences. The Japanese eat tofu uncooked and cold, drizzled with sauces (soy i.e. more soybean product!) and spices (ginger) - it's called hiyayakko, it's delicious and available as an inexpensive appetizer in most japanese restaurants and sushi bars.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hiyayakko

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