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Cute punny name, I like it. Congrats on joining the LF, and keep up the good work!
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We regularly eat tofo (tastes great) but never as a replacement for meat.
OpenTF is now OpenTofu
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"OpenTofu" is cute, but tofu has nothing to do with terraforming. How about "Genesis" or "Reliant" or "Marcus" or "Kruge"?
It's a nice pun and at the same time is close to the original, which would help Terraform users recognize the brand. Your suggestions are nice, but less recognizable in that way. Maybe we can take that pun to extreme though! If they ever have a designer that can come up with some crazy lore of terraforming with tofu that would be really really awesome. But I think they have more pressing matters right now.
> designer that can come up with some crazy lore of terraforming with tofu
I have a feeling that the designer may find it... challenging.
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#84It'd be very interesting to know Hashi's internal strategy around this. - Maybe do nothing, and as long as OpenTofu doesn't attempt to extend Terraform they are in not that different a position than pre-MPL. - Add so many features OpenTofu can't keep up? - Add some sneaky code to latest versions of hashi providers which makes them not work with unofficial terraform binaries?
- You can imagine a situation where Tofu keeps TF DSL compatibility but add useful new features to the runtime (better plan summary, multiple stack deployment, chained deployments, etc). That’s going to put Hashicorp under pressure to move quicker.. - … but Hashicorp publicly pleaded poverty over their development resource on TF as the reason they wouldn’t accept community PRs. You can’t just grow a team tenfold over…
> multiple stack deployment, chained deployments
Intriguing ideas. Would you mind elaborating or - even better - open issues [0] explaining the concepts to gauge the community interest?
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#86One thing I really miss on the landing page of the website is the "Getting Started"
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By the way, are there any plans for taking on other HashiCorp products as well? (Packer and Nomad are of particular interest to me :-)
The dismantling of HashiCorp because they tried to save themselves from Amazon swallowing them is sad. Open Source businesses have no future in a world where big tech can gulp your product for free. The OpenTofu folks will probably even raise capital to support commercialization of their thing at some point.
I generally like your takes but this one isn't very good since it wasn't Amazon that was the threat.
HashiCorp couldn't compete. Their enterprise offerings were bad and their price quotes were insane and unrealistic. I worked at two companies who rejected them because their pricing was so ludicrous. The TACoS space of small startups nimbly out-competed these bad offerings.
Rent-seeking because you weren't able to compete with tiny startups able to effectively value add where you didn't is a bad strategy that pisses people off. I shed no tears for them and their rich founder who posts tweets of his solo flights to visit his rich friends.
Corporations didn't seem to understand that when you participate in the OSS ecosystem you don't just get to trade on the name recognition. Or if you do, and you renege on those promises, you're going to get a lot of people very angry.
So now we have companies going BSL because they didn't have a good business plan to begin with and this is their dying gasp to own the space so someone will pay them and not their much smarter, more creative, startup competitors.
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By the way, are there any plans for taking on other HashiCorp products as well? (Packer and Nomad are of particular interest to me :-)
The dismantling of HashiCorp because they tried to save themselves from Amazon swallowing them is sad. Open Source businesses have no future in a world where big tech can gulp your product for free. The OpenTofu folks will probably even raise capital to support commercialization of their thing at some point.
I have mixed feelings about that.
Yes, doing money on open source is hard, but on the other hand, the reason why you were successful was because you were open source in the first place and capitalized on millions of hours of free work from unpaid contributors which would've neither contributed nor adopted your product otherwise.
Imho, if you can't compete with other cloud offerings of your products then your cloud offering is weak. Competing with Amazon on prices is obviously hard, but not impossible, and it's easy to compete with them on customer service because it's your goddamn product and you should have the best expertise on it.
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#90Hey! Interim tech lead of OpenTofu here. I'd like to add that as of today (announced just now at OSS Bilbao) we're officially part of the Linux Foundation[0]! Hope you like the new name (it basically won the votes anywhere it was proposed) and happy to answer any questions! [0]: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/announcing-opentofu
Why not OpenTransform?