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TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by 0xFF0123 »

personomas wrote: post #53
nitaigao wrote: post #49

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The article states: "It found that the “family pairing” scheme, which gives an adult control over a child’s account settings, did not check whether the adult “paired” with the child user was a parent or guardian." Chapter 8, Article 1 of the GDPR[1] states: "Where the child is below the age of 16 years, such processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that consent is given or authorised by the holder of pare…

Ok, in this one case, it's not that vague. But GDPR in general is extremely vague. Digital Markets Act, extremely vague.

GDPR generally only seems vague if you're trying to figure out exactly what you can get away with. The spirit of GDPR seems pretty easily explained.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by makeitdouble »

personomas wrote: post #103
izacus wrote: post #94

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It's absolutely trivial to confirm that EU countries get fined all the time: https://www.privacyaffairs.com/gdpr-fines/

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You should clarify the difference you perceive and why you think it's an issue.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by dylan604 »

personomas wrote: post #57
riffraff wrote: post #51

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GDPR already has a provision for this (it accounts for repeated violations and collaboration), and a ceiling of 4% of global revenue is quite high.

"quite" high? Are you serious. These fines are unbelievable.

Unbelievably low. It's really pathetic at how not serious these fines are

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by miohtama »

darthrupert wrote: post #69

Is EU the only significant power on this planet that isn't ... for a lack of better word, evil?

The EU is about to vote banning on end-to-end encryption which makes them quite evil in my books.

https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-d...

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by esarbe »

personomas wrote: post #85
InTheArena wrote: post #70

This is a good start, but I'm going to be very curious to see if EU data law ever starts getting enforced against european companies at scale, as opposed to international companies.

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You keep throwing around the "unbelievable" and "unreasonable" fines.

Why do you think that these fines are "unbelievable" and "unreasonable"? Because for me they are rather on the low side, given the business practices, the reach and the potential for abuse that these companies have.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by wherefour »

personomas wrote: post #74
mschild wrote: post #55

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GDPR doesn't go far enough and I think courts need to hand out significantly more fines. Yes, that fine is a lot. It's supposed to be high. That's the only way that fines work. If it doesn't hurt a company's bottom line, they don't learn.

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Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by esarbe »

izietto wrote: post #92
wincy wrote: post #88

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Isn’t SAP absolutely massive? Surely they count as big tech. Edit: for anyone wondering SAP has ~110,000 employees worldwide, Google has ~180,000, so comparably mega scale tech company.

SAP isn't a social platform, it isn't even B2C, so they don't really relate to GDPR

The GDPR applies to all companies, social network platforms or not. It's not even about the internet in particular, it's about how companies can store and process private information of EU citizens.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by personomas »

valenterry wrote: post #90
personomas wrote: post #41

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Look, those apps can work without collecting any PII whatsoever. But if they make collecting PII part of their main revenue, then they should take the laws in their respective markets (countries) serious. Since TikTok implemented the required changes and also (apparently) did not complain about the policies themselves (e.g. being to complicated/ambiguous to implement) it really looks like it is solely on them. They v…

It's a social media platform, of course they need PII.

We need to relax all laws. Our laws are unbelievable cruel. Business are expected to follow so so so many bureaucratic laws. To fine them 2.6% every time they break one is insane. Imagine how many countries there are out there, how many business laws there are, how much they have to comply with.

A lot of these companies already operate on extremely thin margins. This can destroy companies. It doesn't make sense.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by mschild »

personomas wrote: post #106
piva00 wrote: post #78

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This is a false analogy. Corporations are not people, corporations have massive legal teams to go through every single piece of legislation that might affect them, if they break the law you should consider it's willingly given their resources. They break the law once, get a small fine, they break it again and the fine increases, and keeps increasing until they follow the laws. What is the other option? You can't jail…

It is a perfect analogy. These fines are unreal - these are not small fines. This company changed it and stopped it, and they still imposed a 2.5% revenue fine for a first offense!!

Yes, not being small fines is the whole point. If this was a 5 Million Euro fine, TikTok wouldn't care at all and factor it into their cost of doing business.

Large companies have repeatedly shown that they don't care about small fine. As were speaking Meta is paying to the tune of 100k a day in Norway. Meta knew this was an ongoing issue because the Irish DPC has ruled against them in December, yet they did nothing.

Re: TikTok fined €345M for breaking EU data law on children’s accounts

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Post by hef19898 »

personomas wrote: post #100
_visgean wrote: post #52

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Why should we? We have rules in place and tiktok broke them -> they get fined. Nothing insane here.

Unbelievable fines, that's the problem in this one case.

The EU should go further: ban TikTok. And regulate social media to death.
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