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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by tpm »

toyg wrote: post #288
tpm wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet several EU members still don't use the Euro and will not use it for the foreseeable future. So the hard core didn't win?

Technically, all of them are required to join once their structural problems are solved - it's not that they chose not to adopt but rather that they were left out to avoid compromising the currency. Most of them have a clear political will to join the eurozone. The only real exception is Sweden, which effectively enjoys a de-facto opt-out like Denmark, for historical reasons (although they are increasingly under pres…

> Technically, all of them are required to join once their structural problems are solved - it's not that they chose not to adopt

Denmark has a real opt-out. They chose not to adopt in a referendum.

> Most of them have a clear political will to join the eurozone.

No they absolutely don't have that. Even leaving out Sweden and Denmark - it's a toxic political issue in Czechia even though de facto euro is widely used in the business. And while Hungary has currently no chance to fulfill the technical conditions, there is also no political will to join until Orban is in power (and that will be a long time). The ruling party in Poland (PiS) is also explicitly against the euro, as is majority of the population.

> the hard core has won because the Euro is now a cornerstone of EU policies

The Euro won through merit - it just makes sense to use a common currency in the common market.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by mort96 »

willis936 wrote: post #290
mort96 wrote: post #141

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The EU has more lax regulations on SAR than the FCC does (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_absorption_rate#Mobil... ). It may be unnecessarily low, but it's certainly not a mark of shame for EU citizens specifically.

Then why is the iPhone 12 not in violation of US regulations?

According to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37496859, it seems like the article is wrong and the iPhone 12 isn't actually in violation of EU regulations. It's just in violation of France's regulations because France is weird.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by closewith »

toyg wrote: post #289
closewith wrote: post #139

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> Anything that includes France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, will inevitably drag everyone else one way or another. Maybe so, but whatever it became wouldn't be the EU and wouldn't include most of the current members states. It's obviously still an impossibility, as there is no appetite in any of those four countries for a federal EU.

You're making up your "obvious" reality there. EU federalism was born in France and remains strong in the other three countries I mentioned - it might not be a clear majority at the moment, but it's definitely a popular idea among large swaths of the population. The evolution of EU structures undeniably goes in that direction year after year, with stronger and stronger federal institutions.

> You're making up your "obvious" reality there.

There has never been even a hint of a popular federal movement in any of the countries which you mentioned, so I don't think I am.

> EU federalism was born in France and remains strong in the other three countries I mentioned - it might not be a clear majority at the moment, but it's definitely a popular idea among large swaths of the population.

That's a bold claim that I'm sure you'll be able to back up?

Honestly, I think you've allowed your own preferences and wishful thinking to cloud your judgement here.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by NullPrefix »

NullPrefix wrote: post #265
w0m wrote: post #206

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Sounds similar to the '5g rollout caused covid' movement in the states.

Wasn't Italy and Wuhan amongst the first places to roll out 5G?

Downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the fact about 5G rollout there.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by toyg »

tpm wrote: post #291
toyg wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, all of them are required to join once their structural problems are solved - it's not that they chose not to adopt but rather that they were left out to avoid compromising the currency. Most of them have a clear political will to join the eurozone. The only real exception is Sweden, which effectively enjoys a de-facto opt-out like Denmark, for historical reasons (although they are increasingly under pres…

> Technically, all of them are required to join once their structural problems are solved - it's not that they chose not to adopt Denmark has a real opt-out. They chose not to adopt in a referendum. > Most of them have a clear political will to join the eurozone. No they absolutely don't have that. Even leaving out Sweden and Denmark - it's a toxic political issue in Czechia even though de facto euro is widely used i…

> Denmark has a real opt-out. They chose not to adopt in a referendum.

I know. My sentence was meant to highlight how Sweden is de-facto in a similar position, if not de-jure.

> it's a toxic political issue in Czechia even though de facto euro is widely used in the business.

Translation: it's happening no matter what.

Hungary and Poland are currently suffering from backwards political headwinds. In the past they would have happily joined (but couldn't). But again, like in Chzechia, it's basically happening de-facto no matter what. Once sanity prevails, governments typically find that having multi-currency systems is a headache.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by toyg »

closewith wrote: post #293
toyg wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're making up your "obvious" reality there. EU federalism was born in France and remains strong in the other three countries I mentioned - it might not be a clear majority at the moment, but it's definitely a popular idea among large swaths of the population. The evolution of EU structures undeniably goes in that direction year after year, with stronger and stronger federal institutions.

> You're making up your "obvious" reality there. There has never been even a hint of a popular federal movement in any of the countries which you mentioned, so I don't think I am. > EU federalism was born in France and remains strong in the other three countries I mentioned - it might not be a clear majority at the moment, but it's definitely a popular idea among large swaths of the population. That's a bold claim th…

> There has never been even a hint of a popular federal movement in any of the countries which you mentioned

It depends on your definition of "popular movement", but there have been plenty of popular leaders arguing for federalization, from Briand onwards. Just recently: https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/german-...

> a bold claim that I'm sure you'll be able to back up?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/14651165221101505 - this paper explicitly sets out to find non-federalist views, reporting that 44% hold "traditional" views (federalists and separatists), which would indicate federalism is about 20-25% of the population - that's a "large swath", in my book. And that's pure-federalism; the generic support that can likely be turned is much higher.

I mean, that's just a random source. The news focus on anti-europe trends these days because, for so long, pro-europe ones were the mainstream default.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by MichaelZuo »

paulmd wrote: post #278
MichaelZuo wrote: post #273

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Yes but modern iPhone designs uses the metal casing as antennas. Did you not realize that?

"optical center" of the antenna probably is at least 5mm even with a phone pressed against your head, given the distance the ends are away. and things like clothing or purses add interposing distance too. again though it's all a matter of how you design the test. if the source comes closer, the output is going to go up. using the same number but way closer than everyone else is actually using a lower number than ever…

> "optical center" of the antenna probably is at least 5mm even with a phone pressed against your head, given the distance the ends are away. and things like clothing or purses add interposing distance too.

Can you link a source?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by closewith »

toyg wrote: post #296
closewith wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're making up your "obvious" reality there. There has never been even a hint of a popular federal movement in any of the countries which you mentioned, so I don't think I am. > EU federalism was born in France and remains strong in the other three countries I mentioned - it might not be a clear majority at the moment, but it's definitely a popular idea among large swaths of the population. That's a bold claim th…

> There has never been even a hint of a popular federal movement in any of the countries which you mentioned It depends on your definition of "popular movement", but there have been plenty of popular leaders arguing for federalization, from Briand onwards. Just recently: https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/german-... > a bold claim that I'm sure you'll be able to back up? https://journals.sagepub.com…

Your source doesn't at all support your claim. Meanwhile, there is no indication in any polling that any of the countries you mention have even single-digit support for federalisation.

As I said, you've either blinded yourself or you're intentionally dishonest.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by tpm »

toyg wrote: post #295
tpm wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Technically, all of them are required to join once their structural problems are solved - it's not that they chose not to adopt Denmark has a real opt-out. They chose not to adopt in a referendum. > Most of them have a clear political will to join the eurozone. No they absolutely don't have that. Even leaving out Sweden and Denmark - it's a toxic political issue in Czechia even though de facto euro is widely used i…

> Denmark has a real opt-out. They chose not to adopt in a referendum. I know. My sentence was meant to highlight how Sweden is de-facto in a similar position, if not de-jure. > it's a toxic political issue in Czechia even though de facto euro is widely used in the business. Translation: it's happening no matter what. Hungary and Poland are currently suffering from backwards political headwinds. In the past they woul…

It's not going to happen in any of those countries for the next at least 10 years. If ever.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by hankchinaski »

kube-system wrote: post #185
j16sdiz wrote: post #84

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How is it "unscientific" when we know they are 99.99% unrelated, but you want at least 99.99999% to feel safe? Aspartame, unlike sugar, are non-essential. If somebody don't want to take that 0.000000001% risk, I guess they should be free to make their choice?

Someone who chooses not to do something over a 0.000000001% risk is either irrationally bad at math and statistics or needs to get some help with their anxiety. Experts would call things with a 0.000000001% risk "extremely safe" because in comparison to other daily risks inherent to existing as a human, that number is much much lower. The risk of dying in a car in the US is 12,890,000 times higher.

The problem with academics and people that reason this way is that they put themselves on a pedestal and assume that their model represents reality 1:1 with a zero margin of error. You must trust the model otherwise you are labeled a conspiracy theorist. I don’t just distrust the study, I distrust the model and the risk assumptions put in place. I don’t need a nanny state to shove down my throat things I don’t want. For what it’s worth, I’d be happy for everything to be deregulated and everyone taking their own decision. Calling people conspiracy theorist or stupid because they don’t agree with you is just bizarre.
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